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HunterUnderSaddleGirl · Nov 22, 2017 8:50 AM

Last year with my 4G herd since it's kinda small still I just randomly bred horses, and got 3 dead foals. Past frame I'm not too good at watching out for lethality. Anything stand out to you as dangerous?

4G stallions
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=1&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=4G&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=15552&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

4G Mares
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=2&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&mare=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=4G&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=15552&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

Thank you!

Painted Dreams · Nov 22, 2017 11:05 AM

The only thing that stands out to me is that a couple of your stallions have white 2 which is lethal with white 10, 3 and 1 and dangerous with sabino, white 8, m, and 2. Also white m is lethal with white 1. I'm sure someone with more experience might catch something else but that is what I saw. :D

OndowaStables · Nov 22, 2017 2:44 PM

Here is the thread with the full Kit lethality chart: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/13757/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_12

I agree with Painted Dreams that W2 is the most risky gene those horses have. It breaks Kit badly enough that only roan and tobiano are perfectly safe to cross with it. W2 can even cause a dead foal with W20 if it has extensive WF, and any other Kit mutation has a moderate to high risk of a dead foal. The other Kit mutations in your stallions, W8 and KitM are safe with everything else your mares have except W2.

HunterUnderSaddleGirl · Nov 22, 2017 4:36 PM

Eek! Ok. Well that would make sense. The 3 mares with kit2 were the ones with lethal foals. Unfortunately those are probably my favorite horses. Guess I'll make a pasture with safe(ish) for w2 mares, another for stallion, then neither are allowed to have it.And good thing I'm not a fan of w1. Lol.

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