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In this Discussion
- Cottonwoods April 18
- deltaghoulette April 21
- kintara April 26
- Poppidoll April 18
- RoseFlute April 17
- Seaswell April 21
Herd Thinning Questions
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So, I have quite a few spayed and gelded foals floating around my barns, and I'm not sure the best strategy for thinning the herd in a "show-herd" friendly way. Is there a specific paper level or PT score people look for when thinning their foal herds? These foals do not have specific color goals, so they are very much a random mixed bag, which makes it difficult for me to determine which ones can go, and which ones can stay. Any advice?Hi! I go by Delta! They/Them pronouns.
Deltarian: Mixed bag- Open/Closed Genes, Non-Fantasy/Fantasy Genes.
Deltani Saddle Seat Horses! Deltani horses are DDW white-spotted beauties that express full white.
Delmari: Black based (E/E a/a or E/e a/a) with any number of genes that can add white or other color shifts. -
Often the advice is to keep everything you get. What you might do is to buy horses in the auction that already have a good amount of points so your barns are working for you asap. PT level does make a difference, although it more functions to tell you how far the foal will get instead how best it is now. I think. Another variable is the consistency of the foal, because if theyre inconsistent they'll score differently from show to show and that's fewer points than if they scored at the top every time. But horses that score at the tops of their mediocre levels are more valuable than a horse that shows at the bottom of a higher level. So you could just keep everything. Hope this helps! :DThanked by 1deltaghoulette
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I shove all my show horses in their own barn(s). That way I can use search to pick who goes to auction. I usually run a search on 10, 14, and 17+, but you can do it with any age you have to many of. Sort by points total, bookmark the search, and pick horses off the end till I feel better.
This is a different method to foals who have to be mares, good studs (you know, the genes you want.) to be guaranteed a spot. I'm currently saving pts between 10 & 10.4 and the best of the 12.5+ crowd, but that means I send a lot of good stuff to auction every month.
This is probably not the best way, but other than having too many horses it works for me.45120Thanked by 1deltaghoulette -
1. Get More Barn Space
Try and keep as many horses as possible, the more you have the higher your daily show bonus will be.
It would be good to try to save hb's and to pay someone to buy you a barn with real money, or use real money to expand your stall space. It's pretty essential. I believe Ammit refers to one's show team as "the bread and butter" of the game so thinning really isn't the best plan.
2. Pastures
Now, SPELDS (spayed and gelded horses) do train for longer so they should be better show horses than a mare or stallion. I would keep mares in a pasture, the annoying thing is that you have to manually move them back to a barn to enter shows twice a week. However this does "fix" some of the lack of stall space. Mares will keep there pasture bonus's as long as the leave the pasture and reenter the pasture in the same day. Like if you just swapped them out to enter a show.
3. PT
All PT is, is that it tells you how long the horse will gain from the weekly training sessions. PT *can* be a good indicator of a show horse. There have many *correlations* with data amongst players that 10.0-10.4 is a good range to have and then anything 12.5+. So weeding out anything not in those ranges is *could* be a good idea.
4. Paper Level
Paper level only determines if the horse is a good breeder. It has no impact on the horses showing ability, so it can be ignored on SPELDS.
5.Stallions
Honestly I wouldn't advise breeding to stallions that aren't ***Star and having your own stallion of that quality takes a lot of time and funding (a good goal to work towards). Seriously. I know I have a bunch of them, and some of y'all know that, but for the sake of space? Nope. Let someone else keep the stallions, and you can use the stallions of other players for breeding. Keeping a stallion intact isn't worth it. Breed to the best, or the best you can find. Otherwise? geld. Breeding to a subpar stallion isn't a better idea than getting training benefits from gelding him.
6. Mares
Mares are interesting. Some people like to shove them all in barns and make them work "double duty" as they get points from showing and also use them for breeding. Some people like to shove them in a pasture for easier bulk breeding. Heres my take on it. I breed for 2 reasons, the first being to create 15.0-15.5 horses that are *** papered OR I have *decent* mares in my pastures to breed bulk show horses. My pasture mares will never create *** horses for my breeding programs. They literally just cheaply and in bulk create new horses. I do typically keep *Rank Specials* as "surrogates". But they're labeled as the Rank Special they are or as RECIP. That way I know not to breed them otherwise.
7. Age of Show Horses
Age of show horses absolutely matters. It takes them until there 10-12 (In my opinion) to really see if they're going to be good showers, but honestly I keep most of them anyway. The horses making you money on your daily bonus ARE seasoned show horses, aka the older horses. Problem is once they turn 17+ you risk losing them in the roll over. Some people opt to sell at 17 to get any amount of money they can from them (if they're over 10 and haven't been sold the game will buy them for the horses show payouts), instead of taking the risk that they'll make it through the roll over and continue to be part of the show bonus. I would probably sell SPELDS 17+ and keep mares through 19 IF I was using them for breeding.
8. Points
Some say that they "cull" or sell anything that doesn't have *insert any amount of total show points here* be age 10. As low total points would indicate "a bad shower", I think probably more just an unlucky one. They can't all have perfect show records. But the lower point producers or the lower income producers can also be culled. Age 10 is usually the deciding factor as if they haven't been sold the game will buy them for their show payout.
9. Upgrades
If possible I would do the upgrade, either pay someone hbs to add it to your account or you do it yourself. The ability to buy eggs and or harvest them from your own mares, allows you to keep fewer or even no breeder mares. Then you don't have a bunch of brood mares "hogging" show stalls when they only produce one foal a year.
10. Pointed Foundations
Pointed Foundations are worth it to a point. I think they're best used when the PT on the horse falls into that 10.0-10.4 range (based on the correlations of statistics gathered by some players). This again doesn't mean a 6.0PT CANT or WONT be a good shower. But looks like for the most part. Pointed Foundations do really well in my opinion on the herd helpers for Exceptional Show Horse, Exceptionally Perfect, or Great Show Horses. I probably wouldn't breed foundations unless you're going for a certain era, new color line or just want to build from the ground up yourself. Foundations absolutely have their place and can be lovely additions to a barn. I personally like collecting the Rank Specials as surrogate mares.| #59142 | Spotted | Reiner | Chocolatey | Enchanting | Stygien | Lunara |Thanked by 1deltaghoulette -
I just wanted to provide a different perspective on Stallions and Foundations than Cottonwoods has.
If your goal is to break into the colour boards right away, her advice is solid. However, there are many ways to play this game.
For instance, my herds are based around genes that I love - And there are a lot of genes that I love. I focused on that first, and built my way up in papers slowly. These are the stallions I started with:
E12 Devils Are Here
S1 Waiting On A Miracle
CS2 Cloudy Skies
Devils and Miracle were gifted to me, and Cloud I won in a gift exchange scavenger hunt.
I boosted Devils, as he's more marketable without fantasy or grey (I'm like the only person on this server who loves grey, lol)
He got me involved in futurities.
And his offspring got me winning futurities:
FChE12 Devils Desire
And then eventually, his great-grandson became my first ***Star horse:
E0 M4E Devils Duress
I know every iteration of my lines, because I know where they started, how they've been combined with others, what's been added to them over time.
It took me about a year to break into the colour boards in a way that made an impact for me, but I really enjoyed the process to get there.
I'm doing the same thing again now with my Appyness line:
E16 App1 So Appy Togetherr
E16 Gilded By Appyness
16 3 AppyIsTheBestRevenge
Also, there's just the simple fact that Bootstrap breeding isn't for everyone!
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I make stable headers: here.
Mimicry: minis and ponies, open and closed, eras | Evergreen: All the ices | Phantasia: fantasy kitchen sink
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@Poppidoll thanks for adding that, because you're definitely right. :)| #59142 | Spotted | Reiner | Chocolatey | Enchanting | Stygien | Lunara |
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@Cottonwoods @Poppidoll @RoseFlute @Seaswell Thank you guys so much! This was a bunch of extremely helpful information and it definitely will help me out so much. Thank you again, this community is amazing.Hi! I go by Delta! They/Them pronouns.
Deltarian: Mixed bag- Open/Closed Genes, Non-Fantasy/Fantasy Genes.
Deltani Saddle Seat Horses! Deltani horses are DDW white-spotted beauties that express full white.
Delmari: Black based (E/E a/a or E/e a/a) with any number of genes that can add white or other color shifts. -
I just want to add, I change my goal for my play style about once a year. You know to keep things fresh. I still haven't tried all the things I want to try. It's okay to learn what you like by learning to play the game.45120Thanked by 1deltaghoulette
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Totally depends on what your aims are, I love breeding up from scratch from my own foundations, and improving each generation, although I like input from some outside stallions as well, so I really only breed to the ***Star stallions when I want a high PT foal for the LBs.
If you are specifically trying to keep the best showing horses, you can really only tell who is good and not so good, after they have levelled off, which is around 10 to 11yo.
I don't usually keep foals with a PT under 10, and there is some evidence that the ones with a PT around 11 don't do as quite as well in the shows as those around 10PT, or 12PT and up, but I haven't looked at the stats for that for a while. High PT horses have the potential to earn the most, but they can take a while to get there.
If you are breeding for the LBs, and foal PT specifically, for most of the colour and size clubs just breed to the best horses you can, to try for the highest PT. So yes those ***Star stallions up for stud are your best option.
The newer Era clubs won't have got to ***Star yet, but there are often straws available to the best ones, or even embryos to get you started.
The show sections in the clubs cater for a few different levels, but again hard to know who your best showers will be until they get there. To win in the showing LBs often takes a bit of strategy as well, by making sure they get the most available shows in a month.
If you are short of space, in my little account, I send the ones over 10yo to auction that have levelled off in a place that is no longer earning more points/money. So the ones over 10yo, check if they have levelled off, and if they have, check their shows, if they are consistently nearly last then worth more to sell them for their lifetime payout.
If you have the room the answer is always just to keep everything, but no shame in auctioning off some of the foals that don't meet your goals to keep the room for your showers already making money.Thanked by 1deltaghoulette