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In this Discussion
- Ammit September 2022
- HiddenCreek October 2022
- ImagineThat1 September 2022
- pestilenttempest September 2022
Question on Max ability boost
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Does the max ability boost affect the PT score? Or just the Paper level or both. I boosted this guy and thought his score would go higher than this as the parents are 15 and 14.4
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Ok. SO PT score is really the only thing in the game that we really can't control. Max Boosting has the possibility of boosting it slightly. Just like consistency does.
I've found, personally, that as PT scores goes up your breeding ability has a tendency to go down. Now with Max boost if you get lucky and get that high pt pop, you can boost them back to the breeding cap and still be able to double boost them (yay!)
There is a HUGE variance of where foals pop. I was breeding 2 double boosted 15.3 pt horses earlier and I didn't have a single foal pop higher than 14.4. I had one as low as 13.9. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you don't.
Personally I will Max Boost my bootstraps and then make them consistent to see if it pops. But then again I cloned 11 horses from a perfect max 15 pt foal and only 1 had the luck to go above 15.0 pt. (when you clone there is a chance for pt to go up or down). This is really bad for me because mine typically pop "at" the pt of the clone or slightly above. But 10 of them got negative values when I cloned them (14.7, 14.8, etc)
Not sure if my rambling mess makes sense.
I have found that if you clone a horse at 15 pt and it gets a negative value you can max boost + make consistent and bring the cloned foal back up to 15 pt. -
Hm well that’s frustrating.. I haven’t cloned any yet an was going to clone several but didn’t realize the Pt could go down on a clone.
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Yea it can but with max boost it typically goes back up to the original clone. It was super frustrating to clone 15 pts and get 14.7 pts clones. They can go up to 5 points in either direction.
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I feel like that is too much to put into one if you clone one and the pt goes down.. and the Max boost doesn’t raise the PT that much .
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Ok. SO PT score is really the only thing in the game that we really can't control. Max Boosting has the possibility of boosting it slightly. Just like consistency does.
That really is not true. Max boosting gives you the max possible PT from training ability you can get. It does NOT guarantee you any amount of increase. If a foal is already near the top of what it can be you won't see any change. Max boost CAN up the PT by a lot but not if you are already at the top of what is possible.
If a 14.1 is what you get from max boosting then a 14.1 is the MAX those parents can create (with some possible wiggle room for consistency) Since you made this horse perfect consistency you know that 14.1 is indeed the max you will ever get from this pairing.Need to contact me? Read this first. Only send me a PM for PayPal issues or if I ask you to. Otherwise, make a forum post. You will get a better faster answer by making a post.
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she/herThanked by 1Looper -
Ok then I have a few questions. What causes a horse to be a dud as far as or goes? I have a 15.3 pt mare who’s best is only 14.7. There’s basically some number we can’t see that makes them bad at generating pts in their foals. I have full sibling/half siblings to this mare that are great producers and she tests aga to them but couldn’t make a good foal to save her life. ^_^
I’m assuming at birth they are given some random number that doesn’t allow them to produce pt scores? Good producers I’ve had can pump out great pts a full point above their own. But bad ones (like the foals father above) are locked at a pt production a full point below their own.
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What causes a horse to be a dud as far as or goes?
Every horse as a genetic quality that I can pass on to its foals. Some horses are better than others. You are breeding for over-cap horses. What you can get from boosted horses is not what you can get from naturally born horses. Because there are so many variables based on what you are doing with boosts I can't speak to the hypotheticals of your herd. You would have to link actual horses for me to give you specific answers to the examples you gave.
Need to contact me? Read this first. Only send me a PM for PayPal issues or if I ask you to. Otherwise, make a forum post. You will get a better faster answer by making a post.
I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )
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PULL t4 153 7689934
This is a mare I consider a dud. When bree to great stallions(who can make 15 pt foals/breeding cap) she cannot produce a 15 pt foal. Here is a foal I’ve max boosted/made consistent
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Ok thank you both for the explanation! I was thinking the max boost would effect the PT score more.
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@pestilenttempest That mare is considerably worse than her dam, but still over cap. Looks like maybe the dam was boosted twice and she was only boosted once and started out below cap before boosting. She is simply not good enough to get a 15 from because her actual breeding ability is not as good as some of your other horses. Not because of some hidden PT ranking factor.
Basically, if you boosted her twice she started out really bad compared to her parents. Otherwise, it looks like you are comparing double boosted over cap horses to a single boosted over cap horse.
Notice how that mare has an AFPT of 13.85. Her dam has an AFPT of Average Foal PT: 14.35. Her dam is a lot better than her.Need to contact me? Read this first. Only send me a PM for PayPal issues or if I ask you to. Otherwise, make a forum post. You will get a better faster answer by making a post.
I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )
she/herThanked by 1Cheers -
Thanks for taking the time to look at her!
She is double boosted but I must have miss-labeled her. (I tried to compare her to her mother earlier today but it kept timing out on my phone) she is a t3 so 5% above breed cap.
So I guess I can throw all of my T3s into pasture since they can’t hit 15 pt ^_^ -
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