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Getting stricter on horses...
  • How do you get enough horses for a line if you only do A or blue at 2g? I am thinking of getting stricter with my lines. I won't knkw how to really do this because I won't even have enough for mares to fill a pasture. I also know I have over 700 stallions and no way to use them all. Is it best to geld them and throw them in my show barns or see if someone else could use them?
  • I run a 100 mare pasture to produce my G2 herd. I refresh them on occasion (I try to keep my AFPT higher than their own PT for each gen). I would say it isn't off the wall to expect roughly 10 to 30 Blues & A's each season for me, higher end for full pasture bonus, lower end for less.

    This season I had (because I was a dummy and forgot the broodmares in the primary barn for showing purposes overnight... they reset their pasture bonus in the middle of last month. Had I been smart, I would have waited to auto-breed but my patience stinks) a total of 6 new G2s, including 1 new herdsire but had a total of 17 Blues & A papers, unfortunately mostly colts. Sometimes I'll GMT a couple colts to Fillies at the beginning of each month after awards.

    I remember my first cut to Blue & A... I thought the same thing you are. I now run a 60 & 30 pasture of G2s, and the only division is that I keep my loud colored fantasy in one pasture, and the more plain ones in the other.

    Oh, and ps... culling doesn't get any easier by cutting lower quality! It just makes you get more creative. Haha!
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  • Typically when I’m starting a generation I will pull as many mares as possible and breed them all to get a pretty basic start. 10/15 fillies is plenty to start a decent line. I usually get 1 Keeper per about 30 embryos out of the lab.

    I have really bad rng so there are plenty of seasons where I have less than 5 total keepers out of a 100 acre pasture with full bonuses. I still have 100 acre pastures full until gen 3, and then they fall off from there.

    I now immediately cull anything that isn’t automatically a/blue at 2g. If it’s really fan cut sometimes I will 1% boost a superior red and they typically turn blue.

    Show horses seem to be best from 10-11 pt and 13+ pt. I personally always keep 13+ but will keep 10-11 if I have from. All other culls I send to auction.
  • Do I start with one line and go from there? My lines have been kind of all over the place which doesn't help. Would you start with stallions first?
  • Make a search of all your studs and book mark it so you can keep going back to the same search. Make sure your primary barn has some room. Start picking studs you really like out of search and move the keepers into your primary barn. Stop when you think you have enough. Be as picky as you want to be. When you are done Geld everyone that didn't make the cut. Stuff your show barns and send the rest to auction.
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  • As Seaswell said, start by picking out favorites and snip the rest! If you have a hard time with favorites and get too many, then just repeat the process as many times as necessary. Be brutal with yourself if you have to - do you really need two studs that are from the same line with only one or two genes difference? Comp test them to each other and get rid of the lower one, or pick your favorite if they test AGA, and you can even GMT on missed genes. If you're really attached to a stud but know he's really not quite as good as another but you can't bear to snip him, then genderswap him into a mare. See if you can narrow it down to five or fewer studs per line, and if you have more than ten lines now might be a good time to consider merging some as well.
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  • I'm totally the worst for this lol but I have I think 4 foundation lines going. I have a Collectible one, then I have one for my boosted foundation line/brindle, and then on for my regular horses to add the colors I breed for. And now I've started a KITM line. Now when I go to cull I SBA test them all and for me anything gelded/spayed gets auctioned. Stallions must be superior to their sire and then I look at paper level for some stallions 2G B paper is ok and for some of my other I won't accept less than A papered. I don't keep AGA colts usually but some for color. Mares I'm less picky they need to pass SBA then paper the same or higher than their dams. Like Red mother daughter must also be Red. For my Blue mares if they're bred to a B stallion I take that into consideration. Other generations are the same but SBA gets rougher

    *says as I have 311 stallions* am selling some tho lol
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  • Is SBA done through premium though? Right now I can't do that. My highest gen is 6g. I guess I need to look at the stallions and give them the generation number they are so I can look at them better.
    I have a collectible line. I have fantasy horses to. A buckskin line in honor of my brother even though I think I will need to start over with it. Not sure how to combine lines.
  • I only breed A at 2nd gen and prefer but don't require Blue and I have never had a problem getting breeding stock. I just mostly breed Red/B foundations. I found that when I tightened my breeding guidelines, the quality of my stock went up accordingly. It might take a few months before you can fill a pasture, but you should eventually just have exceedingly nice stock. As far as stallions, I would keep and geld anything with a pt of at least 10.50 and no special genes. If it's a really remarkable stallion I would try to sell, but I Geld most stallions that I don't breed.

    As far as figuring out lines, I started with a hodgepodge of fantasy and non for the first 18 months and it was a bit of a mess but I was able to figure out what really mattered to me. When I split my herd this past Fall I had quality breeding stock in both lines and I've been able to further tweak them. Personally I would have problems managing/keeping separate more than 2 lines.

    And yes SBA is premium but you can get a lot sorted with BA and select comparison testing
    I breed for Spotted Drafts that could actually be registered in real life. I like them to be Black, Creamy Black, Gray Black, or Grullo and the horse has to have at least a 2inch square patch of white above the knees/hocks and not on the head. I am hoping to get some really unique color combinations. ID# 50732
  • I personally find a benchmark stallion for each generation, then only test my colts against him, anything worse than him automatically get the snip. And if I happen to get a superior colt then I have a new benchmark. Only testing against one stallion, saves me a ton of comparison testing since I know if they test aga the benchmark then they would test superior to sire. I am brutal with my breeding horses I have over 5k total, 300 mares, and less than 30 stallions. I have a 30 stall stud barn and they all have to fit in it.

    My advice for cutting your stud herd down to a more manageable number quickly. I would geld anything over 8 that you haven’t bred yet. For me I know if I don’t like them enough to breed them by that age then I will never use them.
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    This boy is superior to my 4g boy. My 5g star boys were worse than my 4g star boy. This guy is uneven I am almost certain in his breeding. What would I do with him?
  • He'd make a great stud for a bootstrap line if you're needing show ponies.
    If your 5g star boys were worse than 4g, I'd snip em. I overhauled my lines a year ago. It was tough, but I just had too many (and still do lol)
    I'd definitely go thru and add their gen number to their names. If they're uneven, give em a UE so you know. If you're wanting to stick to even breeding, this will be the best way to figure out who's gunna make the cut. I've found it easier to add to the beginning it saves you time later. Once you have them labeled, you can sort them by gens into smaller groups so it's not as overwhelming.
    I used to have a couple dozen lines going, now I have fantasy and non in both even bred and Bootstraps, plus a herd of demon ponies. I just grouped all my lines with fantasy genes together was my easiest way to combine lines. I started off bootstrapping so figuring out even breeding was trial and error lol.
    Anywho, back to the cull. Take all the boys you've labeled as say, 2g(this'll be the easiest batch) and probably without even giving any a look over to pull at your heart cut out all B papered studs. Move them to a spare barn to give a last look thru later for any of your rarer genes that you may need a sup b stud to pass on. The barn with the B studs, just think of as your for sale/auction barn. Give your A boys in primary a look over and ask yourself if you really will use them. Do they have enough going on to stay? If not, sell em. (Or by all means geld as many as you can for all papers and stuff your show barns) then just repeat with all the gens you have. Set a goal in mind, if you have a star 4g, then keep mostly star 4gs to breed. I'd probably hunt thru and comp test once you have your numbers down to find a benchmark for each gen, it's so helpful. Keep in mind how many mares you have to breed in each gen and keep just enough studs, plus maybe a couple extra if they're really good to get those mares covered. I did all this without premium, it takes longer, but is doable.

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