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Clat · Mar 22, 2017 6:36 PM

Hi there,

Just a quick question about breeding: Before we could papered mares at birth (like stallions), a lot of player would evenly breed to have more chance of intact foals - so the breeding ability would be around the same.. But now that we can paper them right away, does it matter that much at this time? As long the paper of the mare and stallion match(yellow + C, red + B... ), should I expect the same results (even if i have a G2 red mare + G8 B stallion - for example) ? I just want to confirm ^^

Thanks for the awnswers :)

ParadisePark · Mar 22, 2017 6:41 PM

Alot still prefer to have an evenly bred line but it depends on the person and what they are breeding for :)

Salvistar · Mar 22, 2017 7:16 PM

I think some people are still trying to bred evenly. I am going to start experimenting next season with ignoring breeding evenly and just matching paper levels.

SummertreeFarms · Mar 22, 2017 7:54 PM

I'm really trying to do both....match the paper levels AND the generations! It's a lot easier when you have a whole bunch of horses to pick from!

GallifreyanAngel · Mar 22, 2017 9:23 PM

I'm trying to stick with even gen and even paper levels, however I do have a couple of A papered gen 2 colts and I'm really struggling to find gen 2 blue papered mares, so I am considering using blue G3 mares, just until I can source some more G2 fillies lol Would be interesting to see if there is any difference in the foals produced.

kintara · Mar 23, 2017 4:05 AM

I never bred evenly to get more intact foals, I breed evenly because I like to increase quality each generation. Breeding unevenly often just ends up a haphazard affair and so just doesn't suit suit my breeding goals

ObsidianKitsune · Mar 23, 2017 4:10 AM

I think Ammit tried to make a point earlier that it doesn't matter if the horses are the same generation, what matters is if the horses are the same quality. In a few game years there will probably be a shift towards people prioritising even ability rather than even generation.

Ammit · Mar 23, 2017 4:10 AM

You don't have to maximize the number of intact foals you get. As long as you understand why matching papers gets you more intact foals and set your expectations accordingly you can do what ever you want.

I think people are kinda overly obsessed with this to be honest.

Clat · Mar 23, 2017 5:43 AM

So if I understand, as long the papers match, i could hope for an increased quality of the descendants? ^^

ObsidianKitsune · Mar 23, 2017 5:50 AM

Seems like it! Have you seen this post by Ammit, looking at what happens when you breed a horse to another that is lower in quality than it? A simple 5% increase in breeding ability shows.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/18836/a-working-example-of-uneven-breeding-and-pasture-bonuses-#Item_12

Ammit · Mar 23, 2017 8:25 AM

Not at all! Breeding even in no way makes a horse better. That is a huge misunderstanding and something I have tried really hard to get out of people's heads. It gives you more intact foals and that is IT.

kassierae · Mar 23, 2017 8:40 AM

I think for a lot of people the amount of intact foals directly relates to quality in their mind, and that's why they want the evenly bred pedigree. Even parents = more intact foals = better quality. Now whether that is true or not, I have no idea. But I do tend to prefer more intact foals, because with testing, only the higher quality foals are passing and therefore it's not such a leap to think that more intact foals = better breeders.

Ammit · Mar 23, 2017 9:16 AM

The opposite can actually be true. The one intact foal I got from the below test far and away blows every intact foal from the even cross out of the water.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/18836/a-working-example-of-uneven-breeding-and-pasture-bonuses-#Item_12

Ammit · Mar 23, 2017 9:19 AM

No one can doubt that this filly is better then all the red mares I got from the even barn.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=764137

kassierae · Mar 23, 2017 9:34 AM

I get it, I'm just pointing out that that may be some people's thinking, that more intact means better quality, which may no necessarily be true, as with your case.

SummertreeFarms · Mar 23, 2017 9:40 AM

I meant more foals on the ground means more chances for, well, just about everything! With my 1500+ horses it is easier for me to find the cross I want. For the mega barns, it's even easier than that. Smaller barns will take a longer time simply because of their lower numbers.

ObsidianKitsune · Mar 23, 2017 6:02 PM

Not to mention for those people who can't paper and don't know a good match for their horses, breeding even gives a slight chance that those horses may be similar in quality. I've started to comp test, so kinda know the paper level for two of my bred horses, but the others? No idea lol. The 2G ones are probably not blue though...

Ammit · Mar 24, 2017 3:46 AM

The simple fact is that breeding even just get's you more foals not better quality. Plain and simple.

Clat · Mar 24, 2017 5:35 AM

Thanks for the clarification guys :) ill start my own experiments next season :)

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