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If it is a snowflake you may be able to see it (if it did not have lace you could enter into the snowflake club). If it has hom KP you will possibly see it and again if it wasn't for the lace you could enter the KP club.
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I don't have a picture of the horse, I'm just messing around trying to write the code.

So ee is essential to getting a red based horse rather than a black or bay based horse.

a/A/At/A+ doesn’t matter because it won’t be expressed, so I would totally ignore the Agouti allele.

CC—yep, no cream, no pearl.

nd2nd2—Yep, on point for no dun type pattern.

gg — Yep no gray

ff—so this is flaxen and “f” is the what makes a horse flaxen so this horse will be a flaxen chestnut. Add any F and they won’t be flaxen. If you care about flaxen (light mane and tail on a red base) vs not, you can adjust this. Depends on how uniform you want them to look!

S+Ssty so obviously this horse is Het for S+ which will lighten and brighten a liver somewhat, making them more red gold than dark liver red or nearly black. Again, depends on what you want in your herd, but the most important thing here is you don’t want any plain S.

pp — p is where pangare is. Two little ps gives no lightening to the coat, any big P will lighten it at the elbows, muzzle and flanks.

KitMKitM Yep Hom for Kit M. If you want hom KP to show obviously you need two pattern genes here.

LlpLlp so this horse won’t have any spots because it’s hom for appaloosa—May or May not have a white blanket marking or even be whited out depending on the PATN1 situation. But all of this horse’s babies will be Appaloosas.

PhnLacePhn so this horse will be Lace but each foal only has a 50/50 chance at lace.

WF Medium—White factor tends to go up as you breed further generations, so you might consider skewing this down initially. Doesn’t really matter though.

Mosaic — as has been said, you can’t really breed for brindle, you can just breed brindles to each other and hope.

The hidden genes you are looking for, DP, Snf, KP....you will have to know what the parent statuses are but your best bet there is to start with a foundation stallion that is hom for everything, so a “black” liver with snowflake, hom Llp, hom KitM and hom KP. You will need to breed him to mares that all have 2 kit patterns and are all hom Ssty chestnuts or livers, whatever you choose for your herd but I recommend mostly Tobiano and roan if you can’t afford to put Kit M on everything.

That way all of your foals will be het DP liver Appaloosas with two kit patterns. All of them will be het for KP and snowflake, a few might be hom for snowflake with mamas carrying the hidden gene.

If you breed those babies to each other, each will have a 1/4 chance of having hom KP, or hom snowflake, or hom DP...very few will have all 3 but as you keep on breeding you will eventually get there. This will be a VERY long term project though unless you can afford to spend a TON on GMTing foundation mares to get a homogenous herd to start with.

Oh I hear you! Building a herd of mares just for my DP KP line was hard, time consuming and expensive. Even more so if you’re trying to build that herd as only exceptional foundation quality. If you’re open to normal creates, there are a lot more options as far as herd helpers to help you out. Try to avoid splash and frame, W1 and W2. Decide whether or not you’re going to allow W20–if you do it opens your options up a LOT. And then create create create.

My herd has evolved quite a bit. When I started I had no concept of the variety of options, and I still see new expressions every once in a while that prompt me to make choices in my lines. And new genes tempt me. I'm still in love with heavy buckskins with appaloosa, but now I have a much better understanding of the ingredients I need to mix together at the beginning to get Amazing at generation 3 and 4 on a regular basis.

Somewhere around here @Cheers has a thread that explains quite a few of the genes, don't let her amazing ability to simplify each gene fool you. :x

@SandyHoof You can also buy into existing lines. I might have some second gen colts/fillies from my Hom snowflake/KP/DP line I could sell you while you are working towards your own foundation. While it’s not perfect, it still gets you going. All the second gens would be guaranteed heterozygous for snowflake/KP/DP/S+/pearl/satin, and either have white 8 or sabino 2. Not the KitM you want, but you can add that later

I’m willing to part with some straws from this second gen guy - don’t let his white looks fool you, he used to be a regular stunner before the snf/appy got him all whited out! Hom DP/KP/SNF and carries ice 8, too - a fun fantasy gene to play with.

If you’re interested, send me a PM!

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I also have a couple eggs laying around from fillies of the same gene line, too, though I don’t remember off the top of my head if any of them have the ice 8. I can poke through them more when I get home to see.