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My dog has cancer - this is his journey
  • I just needed a place to say exactly what the title says and to also just talk, to tell his story, to vent, and yes, maybe cry a little (or a lot) too. To put down in words what I can't always say out loud. This will probably be long, and sad, and I don't expect a lot of people to read it, but I needed a public space to just put this out there and this community is a great one.

    Remy is one of two dogs that I own, he and his littermate brother are my Heart and Soul dogs, those once in a lifetime sort of dogs that you feel overwhelming gratitude that you've got the chance to live, grow, learn, and love with them. The type of dog that you know you probably won't be lucky enough to get again and even the mere thought of losing them makes your throat tighten, heart squeeze, and vision blur just a little with tears. I've had dogs my whole life but these two are the first that have been really and truly 100% mine and were my first 'adult life' dogs. These are the dogs that have traveled across the country to live in a completely foreign place. They've hiked trails and explored the rugged terrain of the West, peeked their noses into slot cannons, and have seen some of the most beautiful landscapes on earth. They swam, gotten dirty, chased lizards and rabbits and all manner of critters, explored the desert alongside us on horseback and have, in general, just been the best dogs ever. They've accompanied me on so many journeys and have been there for all my major adult life events so far. I've always joked that Remy and Gambit will never die, that they can't, and they'll live to be at least 20, they are only 8 and 1/2 right now. They are both larger dogs so I know that such a feat is near impossible but I was not prepared for an incidental finding of what is likely cancer during his MRI to see if his intermittent back pain/disc issues might be surgical (fyi that's all fine). It was like a sucker punch and just took my breath away when they called me back into the office after the neurologist had said everything looked pretty good and now the radiologist was standing there. My heart dropped when they told me he found a mass near his adrenal/kidney but part of me immediately went into the 'what can we do to fix it' mode. I work at a referral practice (veterinary medicine) so he was in the best hands as we went from MRI, to xray, to ultrasound, to talking with a surgeon, seeing all the best specialists right away as I was sort of swept along for the ride and ending with a conversation with the oncologist.

    At my work, and probably at most veterinary practices, we have a joke or saying that goes something along the lines of this 'It's a staff pet, it's never easy/simple/uncomplicated'. It basically means that if it's something weird that you don't usually see it's going to be something that a staff pet has, our pets seem to never be able to just have something simple or normal. Remy followed this rule as his mass sits in a pretty terrible place surrounded by pretty much all the major vessels and it gets bundles of vessels from some of those major vessels. Surgery would be really risky and the chance of major, possibly fatal, blood loss was a huge concern. Considering that Remy is completely normal and has no symptoms I couldn't put him through a surgery where I might lose him. So we opted to take the wait and see approach with a recheck ultrasound scheduled for a month later. I wanted so bad for this to just be something that was maybe a static thing, not growing or changing, a truly incidental finding that had been there for who knows how long and was just going to continue to sit there nice and quiet for a long time and not affect anything. That never happens. Staff pet, remember?

    We rechecked an ultrasound early this week, the good news was that does not appear to have spread to anywhere else, the bad news is that it has grown...by about 10%. I asked what my timeline was, how much time did she think I had with him considering the current growth and what it could possibly be. Months. Probably single digit months, maybe double...if I'm lucky. There is always the risk that this tumor could decide to suddenly grow rapidly, it gets bigger, has more cells to divide...ect. Hard news to swallow when a lifetime together with this dog wouldn't be enough. I'm not the type to sit and do nothing, I like to do something, to feel like I'm doing something, to try anything and everything to make a difference. Surgery and other western type medicine are off the table (can't do chemo without a diagnosis, can't get a diagnosis without surgery) so what else do I have? What alternative things can we do with the assumption of what this tumor might be? Mushrooms, she said. Mushrooms? A specific type and brand to be exact, a very not cheap type. Alright, mushrooms. Cost? Not a factor because I would do anything for this dog for one and also, pet insurance. It might not cover any of these supplements but it covered all his other stuff so all that money I didn't have to pay for his diagnostics I can use on supplements instead. What else can we throw at him? Chinese herb to help with bleeding issues. Okay, I've heard of it and have used it, put that on the list too. So I went home and dropped a nice chunk of money on mushrooms, magic dirt, and some other supplements. I say this all with teasing, as I know people that believe strongly in eastern medicine and I'm all for integrating eastern and western medicine together and, if it doesn't hurt and could possibly help, I'm all about that.

    So, now we wait for all the supplements to arrive and Remy will start having A LOT of pills. Most of these capsules, for a dog his size, it's around 6 a day. SIX! That's 18 pills a day (maybe a few more since I may or may not have added some other immune boosters in)! O_O It's totally worth it if it helps him though, even if it just gives him extra time, that's worth it. It's funny...typing this out, talking about everything medically, it makes things easier somehow. Provides a disconnect for me, makes it into a problem that maybe has an answer or at least something to be done about it. I work in a very scientific field with double-blind studies and papers to back up everything we do, or at least a lot of it. I, personally, have worked with and do believe in some of that alternative stuff too, even if it doesn't have papers behind it. Some things simply haven't been researched but there's evidence out there that maybe it does help, and right now that's all I can go on.

    Some days are better than others for me, the first week I was pretty messed up about it. Now I'm formulating plans A-Z starting with supplements and ending with a if/when this mass causes bleeding/ruptures we will probably do emergency surgery because if my options are euthanasia or surgery, I have nothing to lose at that point. I'm lucky to have an amazing surgical team, and an amazing team of people in general that I work with, so I've got a lot of support. That helps. But I still sometimes break down and cry and it weighs heavily on my heart, every day. Remy continues to be Remy, he runs after his frisbee or ball in the yard, he goes camping or fishing on the weekends, he maybe gets a few extra treats and gets away with being more naughty than normal but he's my make a wish pup right now, he deserves the extra goodies. So he gets extra snuggles and kisses, is told everyday how loved he is, and I try my best to enjoy each day with him and take advantage of the summer weather for extra outside time, dog parks, hiking, and maybe the occasional ice cream treat.
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  • So much sympathy for what you're going through. I lost my giant yellow Lab, Cody, two years ago next month (though it seems sometimes like last week!) when he was just ten years old. Cody was my best friend and ESD and losing him destroyed me even though I had three other dogs. It took me months to recover enough to rescue a pup in his memory, but it was one of the best decisions I ever made.
    ~*~ Justa ~*~
    Main ID# 44842 Alt ID# 54460
    Chronic sufferer of shiny pony syndrome breeding all shades and sizes of Dun. If I can help you with anything, drop me a PM! :)
    she/her
  • Oh @Ren I am so sorry! I also work in veterinary medicine, though I am only in general practice... but I am having a similar issue with my Doberman, Hannah. She just turned 12 in March, and for the last year she has been struggling with osteoarthritis, which isn't a huge surprise for the breed. I just moved back home in May (I'd been living with my now fiance for over a year) and I noticed that something seemed off so I took her to work with me one day and had one of my doctors look at her. We did bloodwork which came back fine and then radiographs. We found a suspicious area in her cervical spine and had the rads sent for consult. In the meantime I'd found a tumor in between her toes and it tested positive for malignant cancer. Her rads came back in conclusive and they recommended an MRI, which unfortunately with my current financial situation isn't an option. Her diagnosis is open as either a late onset of Wobblers, a herniated disc, or cancer with her symptoms being most consistent with the cancer around her spinal cord since no medications seem to offer her relief. I am trying so hard to keep her comfortable since I just lost one of my kitties Monday to uncontrolled hyperthyroidism (even though she was on Methimazole, she never got her numbers controlled) and she also had IBD, and my uncle died last week, and we lost our other cat in March, I just can't lose Hannah right now too. She seems happy and comfortable for the most part and the Amantadine she is on seems to help with her balance and she doesn't fall hardly at all anymore. But I understand your pain, please know that I am here as someone who understands the profession and also as a friend. I lost my heart and soul dog Apollo in 2015 to lymphoma when he was only 7 so I completely understand the pain. Please keep me updated with Remy's condition, I will be thinking about both you and he, and also Gambit. Sending hugs!!!!
    Breeder of the tallest drafts
  • Thank you @JustaSaddletramp. I really just needed to get it all out there to help deal with the emotions. My online account of what's happening I suppose. So sorry to hear about your dog as well, cancer sucks. I know I'm going to be devastated when I lose him and I worry about how his brother will take it as well. I'm just happy that I'll at least have his brother still with me. I can't even think of getting a puppy right now but I know that, eventually, I will get another one.

    Coming online here is a great stress relief for me as I love the game and the horses and sorting through and keeping busy with my pixel ponies is a good thing right now.

    @ApollosLegacy - Thanks, I knew there were some other veterinary members on here. <3 Poor Hannah, I hope that you are able to keep her comfortable and around for as long as possible. It's so hard being in a financial situation where you can't afford to do things. It's why I have pet insurance for both my dogs, I never wanted to have to make decisions based only on money and this helps take that out of the equation. I'm also really lucky to work at the referral practice so we do get a little bit of a break that way too. Stay strong and I really hope that you and Hannah have more time together and that you don't have to suffer another loss right now. I'll be sure to keep you updated and please feel free to lean on me as well if you need to talk about Hannah or anything else.
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  • I’m so sorry to hear about Remy! I also work in veterinary medicine, but at an integrative practice and I know exactly with herbs you are talking about. We practice mostly tradition Chinese veterinary medicine (acupuncture, Chinese herbs, and diet) but also chiro, cold laser, and western herbs. We see quite a few cancer cases as second opinions for clients who don’t want to do surgery/chemo or feel that traditional medication isn’t helping. We use a combination of herbs, antioxidants, mushrooms and diet which has helped many clients get years with their pets.

    My heart dog developed cancer too. At the time he was staying with my dad because I couldn’t have him where I was living and I’d gotten a call that he hadn’t gotten up in 24 hours. I rushed over on my way to work and had to make a makeshift sled to get him into my car since I am small and he was not and took him in with me. My doctor originally thought he had a back issue, so we put him on the x-ray table and I was horrified to see he had a GIANT tumor in his belly. He had no symptoms other than some weight gain and he had some trouble walking. I even had him at work with me 2 weeks prior and didn’t think to ask anyone to do a physical on him.

    I wasn’t ready to lose him, so we did an ultrasound and determined it was attached to his spleen and went to surgery to remove it. The tumor was almost 10lbs! It was a rough recovery, but a few weeks later he was running around like a puppy! I got another 10 months with him before he developed other issues and passed away.

    I hope your boy beats the odds and that you have many, many more good days left! It must be awesome to work for a referral center and have all those specialists right there if you need them, but if you have any questions about voodoo medicine, I will be happy to try and answer them for you.
  • I know what your going through, I just had my 14 yr old collie put to sleep on thursday. It hurts so much, My horse vet came to the house so she could pass without any fear. He was so kind and gentle with her I have so much respect for our Doc Hadland. He said it was a tumor on her liver or spleen. She was to old for surgery, our other dog had surgery last year at 11 years old the tumor on her spleen was gigantic but it was benign thank god. Surgery was very exspensive. But she made it through with flying colors even though the vets told us to put her down. Miracles do happen so dont give up! My Daughter and i hired a man to build her a box. She passed on her dog bed so we put the bed in with her gently wrapped her in her favorite blanket and laid her to rest under a pine tree for shade.
    I am so sorry your dog also has cancer it is horrible to go through this pain. The best advice i can give is make her comfortable and live everday to its fullest with her.
  • @Ren, I'm with you sweet heart. :( I'm an RVT, guardian, handler and sister to a very intelligent and protective shepherd. I wouldn't trade him for the world. He's my boy and I watch him like a hawk because he's broken 9 years and I know the risks go up from there. Right now he's just got some arthritis and my 16 yo cat is the one who's scared me to tears this week. Diarrhea to the point of shock in a couple of hours with no obivious trigger. She's going better but I'm sitting on needles for the next couple of days.

    I thank God for the people I work with as well- emergency practice. It's hard but this is one of the reasons I work emergency. I didn't have to worry about looking for a place with people I trusted when Beatle tried to drag herself to hide in the closet when I walked in the door to feed her.

    Do not for a moment let yourself wonder if you are doing the right thing when you are doing everything you can to make his life good. Let yourself cry and let yourself breath. Accept every joy he gives you.
  • I had no idea there were so many of us vet staff here. We will bet u through this @Ren how is Remy doing? I've been thinking about u guys all weekend
    Breeder of the tallest drafts
  • Wow guys, you are all making me tear up here with your stories and support. Thank you. I'm going to do my best to answer to all of you and keep everyone informed of what's happening.

    @WickedPonies : I'm really hopeful that a little eastern medicine might get me some extra time with Remy. I worked at another clinic that had a holistic/eastern medicine doctor so I know a little about it and I'm certainly open to alternative medicines. I debated getting a consult with another veterinarian specifically for holistic/eastern medicine type stuff but haven't actually done that yet...not sure if I will or not. For now, all my supplements have finally arrived and I ran them all past my oncologist (since I bought a couple that we didn't talk about) and she's fine with me giving all of them. It's a whole lot of pills though but Remy takes them just fine in a ball of wet food. Since you work at an integrative practice I should maybe send you a message about food...I've heard mixed things regarding switching diet but if your practice is one of those that is more 'open minded' regarding feeding then I might have to get your opinion. - I feel like so many people have a cancer story, it's so sad that it is such a common thing in our pets. :( Splenic tumors especially are so scary because they happen so fast, glad that you were able to get another 10 months with him, I really hoping I can get that much, or more, time with my boy too.

    @SmokinBlack : I'm so sorry that you just lost your dog. I just read something that a fellow tech posted about how losing a pet you can grieve just as much as when you lose a family member/person close to you. I completely understand the pain but I'm so happy that your vet was able to come to your home and do everything there. I really do think that can make a big difference for some pets and there is something nice about being able to say goodbye to them at your own home. My heart goes out to you. I hope that all the good times you had with her helps heal your heart in time.

    @Looper : Remy is a shepherd mix so I can absolutely relate to some of the traits that your boy must have. I hope that your boy continues to be healthy for a long time. It's such a great feeling to be able to bring your pet into the place that you work and know that they are going to get the best care. I'm glad that Beatle was able to be brought in and that she is recovering well. I'll keep her in my thoughts that she continues improving. Thank you, sometimes I think we need to be told that it's okay to cry.

    @ApollosLegacy : I knew that this community had a few veterinary staff members and I'm very glad to meet you all! Remy is doing well, I finally got the last of his supplements in the mail so we are officially started on all of them! I had a crazy weekend of on-call stuff so we, unfortunately, didn't get to do a whole lot other than our walks and playing in the yard but we'll make up for it with the long weekend since I have off Thursday-Sunday now. Plans for a trip to a dog park that is along the river, our usual walks and activities in the yard, and maybe an evening on a restaurant patio if the weather holds.
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  • Oh that'll be fun @Ren!! I'm a little jealous lol. It's been nothing but rain here, and Hannah is having a hard time getting around with the slippery ground so I've been out with her a lot trying to keep her upright. I'm interested in some other ideas for her, we've tried CBD and Hemp treats but they don't seem to do anything. Idk if acupuncture would help or not... Good news is my doctor is more confident that it may be a herniated disc in her cervical spine since her symptoms were sudden after a fall down the stairs when she tried to chase the deer in the rain and that she is having such amazing improvement on her Amantadine and Amitriptyline. Here's hoping!! I just hope we have some more time with her...
    I lost my one cat Eagle March 24th- found a large mass in her stomach and bloodwork showed she was in kidney failure and borderline diabetic so we decided to let her go with dignity, then last Monday, the 24th (exactly 3 months after losing Eagle) we lost our older cat Belle. She had been seizuring in March and somehow survived and was able to come home after a week in the hospital. Monday after my uncle's funeral I come home and she was in a post icteric state on my kitchen floor with diarrhea all over her. I thought she was dead already, then she blinked and I grabbed her and rushed her to the vet down the road who I used to work for and on the way she went into another grand mal seizure and was still seizuring when I ran in the front door... even with Valium and Propofol they couldn't stop the tremors and I decided to let her go too...
    I just can't lose Hannah Banana so soon... she is one of the best dogs, of course I'm a little biased, but she and my other Doberman, Apollo, were best friends and she has survived his loss back in 2015 when A was only 7 (Hannah is 9 months older than him), then our Chihuahua Chloe, then Eagle, and Belle... ugh why can't they live forever?? Why must their lives be so short compared to ours? That's why I got into veterinary medicine was so I could try and help animals live as long as possible because they do mean so much to their owners... Sorry I went on a rant there lol whoops!!!
    Breeder of the tallest drafts
  • @ApollosLegacy are you doing any physical therapy with her? Pool time? Balance ball? Acupunture with electric stimulation sometime has use when the initial swelling and pain is down and she just doesn't have the function she should- ie the falling over.
  • I haven't tried that, no @Looper. But I have been looking for a place around me that would offer physical therapy like that. I just need to find a place
    Breeder of the tallest drafts
  • Thinking of you and your pup and sending love and light. I also was a vet tech for 15 years and it’s the truth, staff pets always get the weird stuff. My pit was diagnosed with Bells Palsey likely secondary to Lyme disease, pulled through, and then lost his battle with a spinal tumor just shy of his 10th birthday. He was my heart and soul, my child and protector, my partner, my other piece. I’d had dogs before but not one like Havok (although they are all special in their way!) It was years before I even wanted to open up to another dog again.
    I hope it helps to feel understood and know you have goodest vibes pointed at you from all over!
  • I wanted to update everyone on how Remy is doing, I haven't really had much else to add lately so I haven't posted anything. Remy, as far as attitude and what I can see externally, is doing great. He isn't showing any signs that the mass is bothering him or causing any issues what-so-ever. He hasn't had any issues since we found it, but it's good to know that he's still just being his normal happy self. The summer heat is here so walks are a little more limited and backyard playtime doesn't last too long but we still play frisbee, ball, or throw whatever toy he brings me.

    Now I'm going to get slightly technical/medical on everyone so if this stuff bores you, skip ahead! lol. Since last we spoke all the supplements/herbs have arrived and so far no issues with any of them. Disclaimer! All supplements were recommended or I asked about them and are being given under the guidance of Remy's oncologist. :) For those interested he gets the following things:
    I'm-Yunity (turkey tail mushroom/PSP - recommended by our oncologist as this particular brand has a small study behind it that suggests it may improve/lengthen survival time)
    Yunnan baiyao (to help with any potential bleeding issues since this is a very vascular mass)
    K9 Immunity (I asked to add this one in, it's supposed to just help boost immunity)
    Apocaps (another one I asked about which is supposed to support apoptosis in dog and the oncologist was also okay with this one and has had some clients use it in the past. I'm of the mind that if it doesn't hurt and could help, why not?)
    Icelandic Pure Fish Oil and a Joint Supplement (which he has been on pretty much his whole life and we see no reason to change or remove them)

    In a couple more weeks or so, towards the end of the month basically, we'll probably go in for another ultrasound to check and see where we are at with things and if the mass is continuing to grow/change. Our plan remains the same right now, monitor the mass and play a game of wait and see.

    @ApollosLegacy - Sorry I never came back to reply, I've been so busy with work and taking care of the animals that when I am online it's usually for just a quick few things or whatnot. How is your girl doing? I thought about her a couple of times over the weeks, especially when our neurology department saw a Doberman this week. Have you found a place to help with physical therapy?

    @NxtLevelGlen - Thanks for the positive thoughts, every bit helps. It's so crazy when our pets get these diseases or issues that you rarely see but, of course, its a staff pet that ends up with it. This year, especially these last few months, several staff member pets have been diagnosed with various types of cancer, I told another tech that her dog wasn't allowed to join the club when he had a questionable mass, luckily they removed it and sent it off and it was nothing bad.
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  • Oh thank you @Ren for asking!! Hannah Banana is doing pretty well. She goes out and tries to play with the other dogs in the back yard, although her legs don't move as fast as her brain and attitude lol. Weve been doing some PT exercises at home with range of motion and have been taking her swimming to help with mobility while limiting the pressure on her joints and it does seem to be helping. We keep getting her medications refilled and my doctor never expected her to live this long all while being happy and mobile. I am so thankful everyday we have her, we have been trying to treat her like every day is her last cause I don't know how long we do have. Only issue I've had with her is she is too smart for her medications. She somehow always manages to get them out of her treat or whatever theyre hidden in and spit them out lol. Silly girl!! But thank you again for asking about her, it means so much to me. And I am so very glad that Remy is doing well too. Sounds like he is very happy at home.
    Breeder of the tallest drafts
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  • Friday update for everyone and, it's a good one! Remington went in for his recheck ultrasound yesterday and, as you might expect, I was pretty worried about what we might find. He is still doing well at home with no changes in behavior or anything else. Anyway, his ultrasound showed that the mass has not really grown! He had to take his measurements multiple times and in the end decided that the mass either has not grown or, if it did, it was just barely - he added that Remy was more relaxed this time around (probably because I was with him for it this time) and he was more stretched out which could have in turn made the mass measure slightly differently. The mass is an abnormal shape as well which can sometimes complicate things too. But this is great news and I'm saying that the mass has not grown. I have no idea if it has anything to do with the supplements that we added but I will say that the only difference between the mass having grown the last check and now being stable this check, was adding those in. We have decided to keep everything the same with the exception of the yunnan baiyao - we'll be discontinuing that one primarily because we really don't know the long term effects of everyday use but also because seeing as it is used primarily to help with bleeds we don't see a need right now. Remy does not have anything bleeding and, if something did rupture, it would be a massive bleed and that really wouldn't do anything for it anyway.

    I am beyond thrilled that the mass didn't grow this time and the oncologist has also moved hemangiosarcoma lower on her list of suspects since it's really not behaving like hemangio usually does. The next ultrasound will be in 6 weeks, we are pushing it out a little further since it's been stable now. The oncologist does still think it's some sort of sarcoma but, for now, we will take our wins where we can and keep on doing what we are doing. I'm just happy to think that, maybe, this gives me a bit more time with my boy.
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  • :x =D> [-O< That is wonderful! May it stay unchanged and Remy happy! And you at peace and not worrying about this any more than necessary! :D
  • =D> \:D/ Yay, Remy! Give him a good dog and a treat for me!
    ~*~ Justa ~*~
    Main ID# 44842 Alt ID# 54460
    Chronic sufferer of shiny pony syndrome breeding all shades and sizes of Dun. If I can help you with anything, drop me a PM! :)
    she/her
  • @Ren Hey! How are you and Remy doing? :)
  • @Looper - It's been a little while since I updated, sorry about that! In this case though no news is good news. Remy has been doing great and we have kept everything that we've been doing basically the same. Remy, his brother (Gambit), and I had a photo session done recently since I have tons of pictures of the dogs but few with me and my dogs. So that was fun, we did it outside at a park in the woods and in a field, and I'm very excited to see how those photos turn out.

    I guess it is slowly edging towards the time when I'll be bringing Remy in for his next ultrasound and we may do some repeat bloodwork or other diagnostics at that time and then we'll see if we can't push repeat ultrasounds out even further. So, for now, everything is going great! I'll be updating again after our next ultrasound which is still (I think) a couple weeks away before I'll bring him to work with me for that. ;)
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  • Update Time

    Sorry for the amount of time between updates, life has been so busy for me and I haven't been able to spend much time online. Anywho, for those of you that are following this, I wanted to give you an update. We went in for a recheck ultrasound a couple of weeks ago and the mass has remained basically unchanged. Our radiologist compared all of the past ultrasounds and measurements and said that while the mass has had some varying changes in size he believes it is based on his positioning and how relaxed he is at the time of the ultrasound. Which is great news for us! We still don't know what it is but the possibility of it being a benign thing is a little higher on the list. So we just keep doing what we are doing and we'll continue monitoring the mass every couple months or so.

    For now Remy is beating the odds and I feel like our time together might not be dictated by this mass at all.
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  • This is such great news. Kiss your fur babies for me.
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  • Awesome news! <:-P =D> \:D/
    ~*~ Justa ~*~
    Main ID# 44842 Alt ID# 54460
    Chronic sufferer of shiny pony syndrome breeding all shades and sizes of Dun. If I can help you with anything, drop me a PM! :)
    she/her
  • Thank you for the update!
    Hope it continues to be positive news for you and your pup! #:-S
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