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Timelessstars · Jan 16, 2019 9:10 PM

So I got this gorgeous black stallion from SS. I had also received a Pretty Black mare since I hadn’t bred the mare yet I decided to do a bootstrap the two since you can never have enough show ponies.

I was expecting a black foal, maybe a plain chestnut. Nope I got a Liver baby. I guess one of the parents has a surprise copy of DP...

I’m guessing the Dream in Shadows is the DP carrier... any thoughts?

The sire

5g Dream in Shadows

The dam

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The baby

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SeldomSeen · Jan 16, 2019 9:55 PM

Both parents trace back to liver horses so the DP could've come from either of them. You could've thrown a GMT at him and see if he missed a second copy.

Timelessstars · Jan 17, 2019 1:29 AM

I’m not super curious about it. I don’t breed for liver. But it would be nice to know if the stallion has it so I could put it in his notes. I guess I’ll have to breed him to several sooty chestnuts to see.

Haltanny · Jan 17, 2019 7:21 PM

The sire carries DP. ;)

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ColorGoodStables · Jan 17, 2019 8:24 PM

A little off topic but I used your boy for a bootstrap baby :D

BS 12cg TemptTheShad
Shes a little cutie

Timelessstars · Jan 18, 2019 12:35 AM

@Haltanny good to know I will put it in his notes, and thank you.

@ColorGoodStables she’s cute! I’m glad he’s getting put to use.

Waldgraf · Jan 18, 2019 2:12 AM

I'd say both the stallion and mare are carrying the DP. That foal sure looks like a black liver to me, so I'd bet he has two copies of DP - one from both parent.

Haltanny · Jan 19, 2019 1:52 AM

That's actually what I was thinking too @Waldgraf

Timelessstars · Jan 19, 2019 4:05 AM

Huh, I’ve always thought of hom DP livers looking literally black... maybe a little on the brown/Black side, but still mostly black.

CeffylDwr · Jan 19, 2019 4:28 AM

That baby is hom DP but his hom Pangere makes him look light thats whats throwing you off Timelessstars

Waldgraf · Jan 19, 2019 4:30 AM

They often range from a near-black to a really dark brown. But, with this foal, I think a combination of the pangere and rabicano are making it look a little lighter.

If you compare Timeless' gelding to Haltanny's liver chestnut you can see that the first has four darkening genes while the second has only three.

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Timelessstars · Jan 19, 2019 4:06 PM

That makes sense. Thank you. I’ll go add it to the mares notes.

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