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SummertreeFarms · Jul 18, 2016 3:10 PM

as of 10-30-16 Sabino 3 was renamed White 8. No changes were made to the percentages.
W4 has been renamed to Wm

AntarcticPhantom · Aug 23, 2016 11:25 AM

Are the different varieties of splash still a thing? On the splash horses I have that I've checked, there's only a ^s and not a numeric above the splash gene designation. If they are still different, how can you tell which is which? Thanks.

Cheers · Aug 23, 2016 1:19 PM

There are different genes for splash, phantom. Check out the genetics guide at the bottom of the left hand menu to see the relevant alleles.

AntarcticPhantom · Aug 23, 2016 5:52 PM

Thanks, I didn't even know that was there! I'm still missing what splash 3 is...? Am I just blind/ignorant lol? Is it the ^s?

OndowaStables · Aug 23, 2016 6:21 PM

Splash 3 is listed a Sps3 in the genetic testing. Like splash 1 it is a mutation of MITF. All splash 3 horses are descendants of The Brindled Cat. Splash 3 was released as part of the celebration when HJ1 reached its 3 millionth horse (who was Lupin The Third, the only foundation with splash 3 on that server) and each upgraded player was given a straw from The Brindled Cat. Because of this it is the rarest of the splash genes.

RiverRunStables · Aug 23, 2016 10:32 PM

Thank you Confluence for the chart!

SummertreeFarms · Nov 26, 2016 7:43 AM

Bump

Double T Stables · Nov 26, 2016 8:19 AM

This is awesome!

Salvistar · Nov 26, 2016 8:31 AM

As a side note this chart is not accurate for crosses with KitM (formerly White 4). KitM has been shown to be safe with White 2, White 8 and Sabino 1 and 2. It could possibly be safe with others.

SummertreeFarms · Nov 26, 2016 12:25 PM

Thanks Salvistar. I just swipe it from the HJ1 people on Facebook, and they haven't put up a new one since June.

HearthglenStable · Nov 28, 2016 7:59 AM

I'm new to the game, been here about 3 days, how do these genes look in the lab results? aside from Olw, which I assume is Overo Lethal white, I've only seen white expressed as Minimal, light and extensive. I haven't seen it expressed as white 1 or any other number. What should I be looking for?

MoonAcre Stables · Nov 28, 2016 10:16 AM

They show as Kitw2 or whatever the white is. or Kitsb1 etc. for sabino.

Heres a mare for example

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=602710

Splash 1 will come up as Sps

Example: Hes got a lot going on gene wise but you'll be able to see where his splash is

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=600133

Splash2 is PAX3C70Y

Example:

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=600358

And I think splash 3 is Sps3

Cheers · Nov 28, 2016 12:01 PM

Also Cat you are right that Olw is Overo Lethal White but it is known as "frame" in the game.

PaintsStables · Nov 28, 2016 4:29 PM

Thanks for the update Dena! I book marked it now. I couldn't find my list I'd copied from before, and took a chance on a Splash 2, (PAX3C07Y) and a Sps3. I found out it was lethal. Now I just go to this book marked thread! ;)

Denalidom · Nov 28, 2016 4:55 PM

Updated chart - I checked new foals and it looks like Kitm is safe with everything.

PaintsStables · Nov 29, 2016 2:39 AM

Great job Dena! Cool, Denali, love the solid colors to make it pop right out.

MoonAcre Stables · Nov 29, 2016 5:43 AM

Love the chart Denali! Just a little correction "m" is just Kitm no w. I don't think its a white at all anymore. I'm not positive but I think its just its own special little kit snowflake lol.

Denalidom · Nov 29, 2016 5:52 AM

Dang it! That snuck in while I was trying to shortcut with copy/paste. And thank you! I get creative when I'm procrastinating...

Edit: Has been fixed!

RipshinCreekFarm · Nov 29, 2016 7:07 AM

Could some one clarify this for me to make sure I have it right. 25% chance of lethality would mean that some genes (we will pick W1) cannot be homozygous? For example, I breed a KitKitW to a KitKitW. Using those handy Punnett I learned about a quarter of a century ago I get this outcome:
25% KitKit (no white)
50% KitKitW
25% KitWKitW (lethal outcome)
This would be true of any of the lethal combos. Do I have it right, or am I way off?

PaintsStables · Nov 29, 2016 7:31 AM

1 in 4 chance of getting a lethal with any of the combinations that have 25% on them in the chart. Your calculations are correct.

Denalidom · Nov 29, 2016 7:33 AM

Correct. If you think of Kit mutations as partially "breaking" the gene, each on breaks it in a specific way. The lethal ones break it in such a way that if both copies are broken the foal is not viable, whereas mutations such as roan and tobiano are safe in their homozygous form. I n this way the upcoming system that bases lethality on the extent of white rather than the specific pattern will be more realistic.

Cheers · Nov 29, 2016 10:13 AM

Just remember that some horses may have been GMTd to have a lethal combination to start with. Freaky Fridays are a good example here--they are homozygous for Frame. So breeding a Freaky Friday to a Freaky Friday is 100% lethal. Breeding a Freaky Friday to a regular frame carrier is 50% lethal..

Ammit · Nov 29, 2016 3:14 PM

Perfectly explained @Denalidom.

RipshinCreekFarm · Nov 29, 2016 3:15 PM

Thanks guys. Trick Or Treat and Fuel To The Fire rank specials would produce lethal when bred to themselves or each other as well. I think what threw me was the fact I had lined horses homozygous for W2., but they were bred before July.

SummertreeFarms · Jan 17, 2017 9:01 PM

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