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Looking for Ideas for an Extremely Special Sale
  • Can we have people buy this for us or no!?
    Celestial Performance Horses
    ID 15335
  • I'm relatively new, and the only real money I've spent on the game was for a pasture. I can say that the only thing that would get me to spend more cash money would be a steep sale on GMT's. If they were, say 50 for $50 and $80 for 100, I'd absolutely spend money. I just can't justify it at the price they are now. I'm guessing many people would spend more money with that sort of a sale.

    Just my thoughts on what could bring you guys cash. I've become obsessed with GM'ing and constantly want more. :)
  • jezmynespice1 You could have people buy the tokens for you but there is still a 50 USD minimum order per person I need to deal with.


    ZenCorgi - Please see where I posted this "I have not included any kind of shop/gene sale as that would be a different sort of sale event and not part of this particular special offer. " :)
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    she/her
  • This definitely needs to run for a few seasons. I'm skint this month due to work changes, but I'll be a bit more able to support you come March or April.

    I don't understand how your new payment system works, but it would be important for me to be able to buy tokens across two servers totalling to your $50 minimum.

    As soon as I read this post, I was already thinking about an army of Taolmp on here

    T1 -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased.
    I dont understand the use of this at all.

    T1 -Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. You must already own the boost tokens to do this.
    since the boosts will be a huge cost, i feel $10 is very reasonable for your time and privilege

    T2 -Convert any pasture into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
    T2 -Convert any barn into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
    i think a one off fee of $10 for your time is reasonable with no limit to how many pastures to upgrade.

    T2 -Pick any herd helper rank 5 or below, get 250 creates, and lasts 5 days
    i cant see this being that popular, nor would this have much impact on the game. $5

    T2 -Pick any normally available, RS herd helper, get 100 creates, and lasts 5 days


    T2 -Pick any, Special event only RS, get 50 creates, lasts 5 days
    this would be a bit more popular and i assume would include diamond age, taolmp etc. These should definitely be a bit more $10

    T2 -Convert any unbred rank special you have into an exceptional (or normal) version of that rank special. Discount for bulk edits of horses in the same barn needing the same edit.
    this ones a lot harder to price. Its essentially a boost for each horse. Maybe $5 each or 3 for $10.

    T2 -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice.
    i feel $10 would be a bit of a stretch for this

    T2 -Have 2,500 show points assigned to 3 horses of your choice.
    $5 max really

    T2 -Have 1,000 show points assigned to 5 horses of your choice.
    i dont feel this is worth $5

    T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 barn: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding horse (or horses in the case of a tie) in that barn by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per barn.
    im not sure if the work level would be different for different size barns. Im not sure really who would use this. Maybe $10 for your time and privilege

    T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 horse: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding offspring of a horse by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per sire/dam.
    same as above, i dont really understand the use of this. $10 for your time and privalage?

    T2 - 100 straws, or 25 eggs from any deceased horse with the last owner’s permission*
    this is very cool indeed. I feel there would be a lot of players that would love to get their hands on some old legacy straws and the popular ones would probably be shared around. I think no time limit on these would be amazing, or maybe like a 10 season instead. I think $10 per set is very reasonable and people would be likley to get these

    T2 - 25 eggs from any mare you own, up to 500 eggs total
    $5 per 25 eggs. Maybe buy 4 sets and get the 5th free?

    T2 -Clone any deceased horse with breeder permission*, or any foundation horse you own regardless of breeder, or any lined horse you own with breeder permission*. **
    this is another one that would be super popular and well worth saving up for the clone costs. $10 for your time and privilege

    T3 -Clone any lined horse and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. **
    would the clone cost more than just making a foundation with those genes? Maybe $10 for your time?

    T4 - Design your dream Herd Helper, and receive it for 50,100,or 250 creates, lasting 5 days depending on how many GMTs it is valued at. Hard limit of 20 GMT worth of rare genes per herd helper. (Exceptional status counts as 5 GMTs)
    this would be amazing and im sure would be very lucrative for some players. I think $50 would be reasonable with maybe more for more genes/availability

    T4 -Create a background tack pack: YOU create up to 10, 500 by 500 px images. They must all be approved before I will accept payment. We will add the game logo and add it to the game as an option for any player to purchase, and you will get it automatically unlocked.
    im not an artist, so i dont fully understand the lucrative part of this. Since its clearly very time consuming on your behalf, $40? :D
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  • "T1 -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased."
    "I dont understand the use of this at all."

    This one is for "oopsies" plus the new BCs. Being able to fix a horse name that is an integral part of your lines but was named "expro 12345678" or being able to have your foundation sire from five years ago look like a traditional cob would be a neat thing for a lot of people. Personally, I'd want to be able to add/edit tack too :)


    As for the rank herd helper 5 or below, for example, people who specifically want livers it would be cheaper to just grab an exceptional dark chestnut for 250 creates and hope for a dozen livers, vs paying extra for the rank special. It would definitely have to be priced cheaper to make it worth it though, yeah.
    ID 45703 | he/him
    Open barn policy - no closed lines! I'm always selling straws and eggs from anything I have that catches your eye, don't hesitate to PM me and ask!
  • Ammit would you be able to give an example of the amount of time it would be for you to do a T1 vs a T4 project? Since you are selling time, I think that will be helpful to determine a fair price. For example, if you say a T4 would take you 4 hrs of actual time then $5/hr would not be a fair wage :)
    ID#43150 | she/her
    Breeding Warmbloods of superior quality that suit my fancy!
  • Is it possible to get a list of what the rare genes are as well, so if we did want to do a custom RS we know what we are looking at? Does the 20GMT count all the genes that are in the GMT lab, or just the rare?

    Example: is DP still considered 5 GMT for this application, and sooty considered another GMT? Or is there a base horse to go from? Or a base RS we can create from and add 20 GMT worth of genes to?

    Just some questions to try and clear it up in my chaos brain.
  • A t4 would take roughly 1 to 2 hours of work.

    Most questions I am going to hold off on answering until I get more responses and then do a single clarifying/update post for all servers at one time. Otherwise I will be answer the same questions over and over.
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    she/her
  • I’m assuming there will be a lot of questions.

    T1 -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased.
    This is very nice for people who like to have characteristics for their entire line, but isn’t something I’d be interested in. I would assume around $10 for your time?


    T1 -Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. You must already own the boost tokens to do this.
    This is definitely something I would buy. As far as cost? I would have no boost tokens to buy so anything from 10-20 would be well worth it to me but I would spend more.

    T2 -Convert any pasture into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
    T2 -Convert any barn into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
    this account is done buying, my second account has a ton of pastures and barns for ivs. I wouldn’t personally use this but a lower end cost of 10-15

    T2 -Pick any herd helper rank 5 or below, get 250 creates, and lasts 5 days
    T2 -Pick any normally available, RS herd helper, get 100 creates, and lasts 5 days
    T2 -Pick any, Special event only RS, get 50 creates, lasts 5 days
    I am lumping these 3 together. I’m not sure about individual costs, but I would consider this a good “filler” option if I needed to hit the goal and wasn’t making it.

    T2 -Convert any unbred rank special you have into an exceptional (or normal) version of that rank special. Discount for bulk edits of horses in the same barn needing the same edit.
    Not something I would be interested in as I create them as needed. Maybe a good filler option? Would you need boost tokens for this?

    T2 -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice.
    T2 -Have 2,500 show points assigned to 3 horses of your choice.
    T2 -Have 1,000 show points assigned to 5 horses of your choice.
    again, lumping together. This is an exceptional pick for a filler item as it increases daily dollars earned. The top one would give $1k+ a day in revenue. I could definitely see myself picking up a few of the top tier. 5-20 seems fair depending.

    T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 barn: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding horse (or horses in the case of a tie) in that barn by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per barn.
    You would have to price this by barn size? A 25 stall barn shouldn’t be the same price as a 1k stall barn. I’m not sure how it would divide and isn’t something I’m interested in.

    T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 horse: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding offspring of a horse by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not.
    Again, this price is hard to figure. Some people have only 10-15 offspring per stallion or mare. I always have hundreds. It’s not something I would really be interested in as I do tons of testing.

    T2 - 100 straws, or 25 eggs from any deceased horse with the last owner’s permission*
    I would first off like to say this is a cool idea. I secondly would like to say this could start drama. What if ex-owner wanted straws to breed to it? How would you stop it? Enforce it? I think this is touchy.

    T2 - 25 eggs from any mare you own, up to 500 eggs total
    Does this include mares that are no longer breedable? Age wise? Do spays count? I know some people sell breeding horses as spays and might be upset if they altered a horse/auctioned and then somebody paid for eggs. Again, clarification is needed. 5-10 dollars seems fair.

    T2 -Clone any deceased horse with breeder permission*, or any foundation horse you own regardless of breeder, or any lined horse you own with breeder permission*. **
    Again, touchy. Can old owner demand straws/eggs in payment? How does this work for double boosts, do you determine it by last owner or by the person who cloned it?

    T3 -Clone any lined horse and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. **
    This is nice for people who want to restate a line with specific genetics, and can afford a cloning but can’t afford to outright buy the genes involved. 10-20 sounds fair to me.

    T4 - Design your dream Herd Helper, and receive it for 50,100,or 250 creates, lasting 5 days depending on how many GMTs it is valued at. Hard limit of 20 GMT worth of rare genes per herd helper. (Exceptional status counts as 5 GMTs)
    I feel like this will be a very popular pick. This would probably warrant 40-100 depending on helper.

    T4 -Create a background tack pack: YOU create up to 10, 500 by 500 px images. They must all be approved before I will accept payment. We will add the game logo.
    I have no idea how to price this. Probably 40-150. That’s all I have.

    Spit balling a few prices/questions/concerns. On mobile so please don’t fry me for formatting.
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  • It is not possible for me to make a post that clarifies every single fringe case. The answer to a lot of your questions above is that I would have to make a judgment call on a case-by-case basis. That is why these things are special sale offers and not candidates for normal things in in the game. They need a human arbiter. :)
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    she/her
  • That's one of the reasons, as a consumer, it's so hard to price things. Because you are going to have to individually look into every scenario to make sure that there will be no drama. And I really can't put a price on that.

    Like I know there is one fancy foundation stallion I was gifted and then added a bunch of genes to...but I wasn't the original breeder of that horse(they left the game) even though I put probably $100 of genes into it. So technically because I wasn't the breeder somebody else could pay to have that horse cloned. I know a LOT of people buy fancy stallions off the sales in December and used to put licensed genes onto them. I'm sure there are quite a few people who paid to add genes that are not necessarily the breeder of the horse. Which is a very grey line. It's going to make it extremely difficult for foundation horse cloning. And then there's people that pay others to pop genes on. So it's going to be almost impossible to tell who actually paid for the added genes. Was it gifted? (since the gift exchange was private for years, this makes it even harder)

    But I don't know how to format that into: how much should Ammit charge us to try to make heads or tails out of who could possibly get upset if this happens. ^_^
  • I am not worried about foundation clones as creating a whole new foundation is a completely new and unrelated horse. It's not a copy of the original horse, it's a different horse with the same color. It's no big deal for two foundations to have the same color.

    But yes the complexity of having to work things out with each person is why I can't do less than 50. A good chunk of that 50 just covers my time doing a bunch of back and forth PMing and dealing with the mental health toll of having tons of people on different servers all wanting my attention. The reality is that making 100 dollars deal with two people is better than making a 125 dealing with 5. The difference in time those extra 3 people take, starts taking amounts of time I simply can't spare.
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    she/her
  • I understand and appreciate the honesty. Nobody but you can know exactly what it will cost you, which is one of the reasons all of us are so tentative about giving prices. We don’t want to seem ungrateful at all because you do so much for us.

    I was thinking more about closed genes, because they’re a lot cheaper to clone than they are to add. And people will be skipping the “pay for genes with real money” and essentially using other peoples money to create it for super cheap. Which is just a weird concept. ^_^ Nothing wrong with it, just feels weird. Less weird now that you can add them for gmts though. ^_^


    Makes me feel old. “Back in my day, you had to pay to add fantasy genes”
  • To be fair, from my point of view I'm seeing it as a sort of "bulk discount". Like yes, I could buy each gene individually and custom make exactly what I want, or I could poke around for a pre-made look I like, pay a worthy but lesser fee for the bulk template, then make my own changes afterwards. :) It's a win-win if I feel like I'm getting a horse for cheaper while still incentivizing me to pay more total money than I might otherwise have done.
    ID 45703 | he/him
    Open barn policy - no closed lines! I'm always selling straws and eggs from anything I have that catches your eye, don't hesitate to PM me and ask!
  • Post 1 of 2

    A huge thank you to everyone who gave feedback on what pricing they felt was fair I could not have done this without you. I know people have asked a ton of questions I have not answered. I hope to make a single post that clarifies as much as possible.

    A few broad clarification points first.
    I will be selling Special Sale Tokens for 5 USD each. You can buy them directly or pay another member to buy them for you. Tokens will then be used to pay for the items below.

    There is a minimum order of 10 tokens worth of purchased work.
    I know 50 dollars is not affordable to many of our players and I have seen some players rather distressed about this. I don’t want anyone to feel obligated to have to make any purchases. If buying my time directly is not in the budget don’t worry. There will also be normal sales you can participate in.

    Please understand that only have a limited amount of time I can sell and the back-and-forth PMing for this will take up a huge amount of time. It will take me the same amount of correspondence time to work with a player who has a 50-dollar order as it does a player with a 20-dollar order. This is not my normal work hours I am selling, I still have to do all the regular work on the game. This is my personal time for self-care, family, cooking, etc that I am selling to you. I hope with that in mind people can understand why I have to have a limit. Again if it is not in your budget, totally fair. There will be normal sales as well.

    Minimum is 12 if your order is split over multiple servers because that increases my work a good deal

    Regarding timing
    This one is going to be a slow burn. I can let this run for several months, though I will not be able to respond to every request rapidly during that several-month period. There will be points when I don’t have any free time to sell. That said, more spread-out orders are much better for me. There may even be a backlog at times, so I hope people can be patient with that. I will make sure to give lots of notice before I close the sale.

    I also don’t have a start time just yet for this. I am still very much in the “thinking aloud” stage.

    Participation thankyous
    Mesa server had the wonderful idea of putting a badge on the name of people who participated in this sale. That is something we will be doing though I am not sure what that will look like just yet. Anyone who purchases any amount of special sale tokens (even just 1) will get the thank you badge. You still need to have 10 tokens if you want to cash in for my time but if you just want to buy the badge for 5 USD you can as well.


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  • Post 2 of 2

    Here is my second round with some preliminary pricing that I think is fair based on my time and what members have suggested. I have also added and removed some items and changed the values on some. I will do my best to answer the questions I have been seeing. The pricing and options are still subject to change and feedback on both are still wholeheartedly invited.

    Prices are listed in tokens with each token = 5USD

    Misc Small Items
    1 token - Set the era of any unbred horse you own to an earlier era. This is not a boost and does not impact breeding ability. Great for eras with no foundations anymore, and can be added to the below cloning options. For example an era 12 could become an era 3 but not an era 13.

    1 token -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased. Can't have foals owned by other players unless you were the last owner.

    1 token -Change the height or bone weight of any lined unbred horse you own to any creatable height/bone weight. Can be bred already if you own all the foals.

    1 token - Add up to 50 words to the random name generator. Gemstones, pokemon, Tolkien elves, give me a comma-separated list and I will add them in.

    1 token -Breeding ability consult for 1 barn/pasture: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding horse (or horses in the case of a tie) in that barn/pasture by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per barn/pasture.

    1 token -Breeding ability consult for 1 horse: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding offspring of a horse by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per sire/dam.

    1 token -Delete every straw/egg owned by you from a single horse on a single account.

    1 token -Change the rules of any one breed owned by you.

    Fun with Foundations
    2 tokens-Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. You provide the 7 5% boost tokens, expros only need 6 5% boosts
    -or-
    25 tokens -Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. I provide the 7 5% boost tokens, no discount for expros as this is already a 155 dollar discount on tokens

    2 tokens -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice. If added to a foal the lifetime payout will be between 500k and 1 million.


    Cloneing
    2 tokens - Clone an otherwise impossible-to-clone horse. I will quote you what the price will cost in IVs for the clone. You pay the IV cost plus 2 tokens. Gene licenses are not included.
    -Clone any foundation horse in the game regardless of living/dead, owner, or breeder.
    -Clone any living lined horse with breeder and owner permission*
    -Clone any deceased lined horse with breeder permission*
    -or-
    20 tokens - Get any of the “impossible clones” above but pay only the 20 tokens, no IV charge.

    3 tokens -Clone any lined horse (including deceased and regardless of breeder) and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. I will quote you what the price will cost in IVs for the clone. You pay the IV cost plus 3 tokens. Gene licenses are not included.
    -or-
    21 tokens - Clone any lined horse (including deceased and regardless of breeder) and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. You do not pay any IV costs. This option is for horses that would be prohibitively expensive to clone. Gene licenses are not included.

    Seed Stock
    2 tokens - 100 straws, or 25 eggs from any deceased horse with the last owner’s permission*
    2 tokens - 25 eggs from any of-age mare you own

    Either of the above can be purchased multiple times with a limit of 500 pulled per horse in game.


    Barn & Pasture Edits
    1 token + difference -Convert any pasture into a larger version, just pay 1 token plus the price difference, rounded to the nearest $5.
    1 token + difference -Convert any barn into a larger version, just pay pay 1 token plus the price difference, rounded to the nearest $5.

    2 tokens - Merge 5 empty 210 barns into a 1000 stall barn
    3 tokens - Merge 5 not empty 210 barns into a 1000 stall barn

    Most barn and pasture merging or splitting will be decided on a case-by-case basis. The numbers are too complex to make a full list. The general rule will be, that you have to be reasonably close in stall count to the target. 2 tokens for dealing with empties. 3 tokens if I have to shuffle your horses around. You can name what you think is reasonable for me to sign off on before purchasing.

    3 tokens per 50 stalls - Create a custom-sized barn in any interval of 50 you want 1k is the hard max.

    Herd Helpers

    1 token -Convert any unbred exceptional rank special horse into a normal perfect create. Removes the era penalty.

    3 tokens - Pick any herd helper to be assigned to your account. Cost is the same regardless of rank (only the count changes). These will not have the option to share the herd helper. Can purchase multiple times if you want more than the listed number of creates This will last 5 days so that you don’t have to create everything in one sitting. This is 1 herd helper with a long window not 5 days of herd helpers.
    -Any rank 5 and below - 250 creates
    -Any normal Rank Special 50 creates
    -Any "special event only Rank Specials" 10 creates This includes genes like S+, p+, satin, etc

    10 tokens - Design your dream Herd Helper. Can be a modification of a prior one or an all-new concept.
    - Price is the same regardless of rank.
    -I will decide what rank and if the hh is in normal rotation based on how fancy(how many GMTs) the hh is.
    -You provide the name and description text for rank specials. Subject to approval.
    -Only genes already possible on Herd Helpers can be picked from.
    -You can use up to 20 GMTs worth of rare genes in your herd helper. Prices are based on the GMT lab normal price. Genes that only cost 1 GMT do not count against your 20. (I might have some flex on this. Talk to me before buying.)
    -Adding exceptional status costs 5 GMT
    -Once created your herd helper will be a permanent addition to all servers.
    -You will receive the “Pick any herd helper” deal above for free with your new herd helper on one account.




    Tack Pack Creation
    10 tokens -Create a background tack pack: YOU create up to 10, 500 by 500 px images. They must all be approved before I will accept payment. We will add the game logo and add it to the game as an option for any player to purchase, and you will get it automatically unlocked.
    -5 tokens for every 10 images added after the first 10.

    ______________

    *Permission is deemed granted automatically if the breeder/owner (for cloning) or prior owner (for seed stock) if the player has been inactive for 6 months or more. If the player is still active, permission must be obtained before I am contacted for this service. I will be quick to turn down any cloning requests if I feel it will cause drama.


    Everything listed above has the caveat of “within reasonable limits.” I reserve the right to reject anything if I think it is going to cause problems/drama in the game. Everything will be finalized on a case-by-case basis because I can not possibly address every edge case in this post.
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    she/her
  • Looks awesome! All of these prices seem reasonable and fair, and I'm definitely looking forward to participating in the sale. :x

    My only additional suggestion would be on seed stock: two tokens for a deceased horse makes sense, since it's a special thing that can't normally be done, but two tokens for 25 eggs of a mare feels pricy given that a mass flush could already be half that and only costs 30k hbs.

    Additional questions:
    - for changing the era of a horse backwards, does that include lined horses, or only foundations? (This is a really cool option btw, thanks for adding it!)
    - for changing height/weight of a lined horse, with foals we have, will that affect the foals or no? i.e. if a riding horse line has a single horse changed to draft weight, will the foals end up warmblood or so based on breedable values or will they remain the same?
    - adding words to the generator: can they be fictional/made up words? I assume so based on the elves comment but I want to double check it doesn't have to be a google-able word necessarily
    - for the make your own herd helper, is KP an allowable gene? I know we have herd helpers with GP, ice, snow and some other odd ones of comparable price and fantasy so I don't see why it would be excluded, but I don't think I've seen any KP ones yet so I want to check that, as it would definitely be my dream to make one and the first thing I'd buy if allowed! (I can always discuss this one in private if it's too complicated for the scope of the post right now as well)

    Also, thank you for adding purchasable costs for cloning/boosting! That's definitely an added layer of convenience.

    Thanks again for doing this sale, I'm excited!
    ID 45703 | he/him
    Open barn policy - no closed lines! I'm always selling straws and eggs from anything I have that catches your eye, don't hesitate to PM me and ask!
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  • With the eggs I have to hand-add each one which means it is not reasonable for me to charge less than that. It may be that it is not something people will use which is fine.

    For eras you could edit lined horses or foundations but there is not much reason to do a lined horse in my opinion.

    Editing a horse does not edit its foals but does change the GMT options available for its foals.

    I would have to approve the words. I don't want just random gibberish.

    I think there is a KP one but I am not sure off the top of my head.
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  • A couple more pesky questions:

    Will tokens simply be a minimum order of 10, or do they have to be purchased in bundles of 10?

    Would it be possible to talk you into allowing a few select new genes (for an additional token cost) to the custom herd helpers? KP, Chocolate, DFP1, Ice 5 and Ice 8 - open genes that do not already occur on any of the existing herd helpers… the inclusion of any of these genes would definitely be a big incentive and would be the difference between whether I’d be willing to purchase these or not.

    Would it perhaps be possible for players to collaborate and split the cost for the background option?
  • Tokens will be sold individually.

    I am unsure about other genes. They would be a special event herd helper for sure if I allowed them.

    I am only willing to deal with and take payment from one player. How they obtain the tokens and how they obtain the art is up to them though.

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  • @BoredCowgirl @Lallyhop
    FYI: Ghost of Christmas Present has KP. ;)

    I think the prices are reasonable. I myself will have to wait for some time due to work slump, but maybe once taxes hit. >:)
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  • The list you've put together looks great!! I love that there's an option for breeding cap foundation if we don't own the boost tokens yet. I'll absolutely be saving up for that one, at minimum.

    The option to add words to the name generator is intriguing, too. Thanks for putting up this tentative/draft list of options and the estimated cost!
  • @TripleGRanch Right! I forgot about that one! Good to know, it's one of my favorite genes :x
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  • This is really exciting! Thank you for detailing it out so much and being so open and transparent while developing it. It’s nice seeing everyone soundboard and the ideas coming up. I think the prices are fair and there’s definitely a few I’d be interested in when finances allow! :)
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  • I have a question about the making foundie breeding cap and the other option of making them perfect creates,

    Do these mean the rank special will be set to 10.40 PT with B/Red papers? Or does this mean they will be set to 13-14 PT with blue or gold papers?

    And if it only means making the foundation a 10.40 PT B/Red, what affect would it have on Rank special horses that are already 10.40 B/Red?
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  • I would be super interested in buying the T4, create your own RS, IF I could save it and use it later, when Era 15 is out. I have no use for anymore current Era foundies so would use it to create a new line for e15. $50-$100 depending on uses and the genes
  • RLazyBRanch I think you may have missed the update post where this was fully priced out. :)
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  • Firstly, I am so excited for you and your family; what an epic adventure you're embarking on!
    Secondly, I love the ideas listed here. I also think that your proposed token-based pricing levels are more than fair. I can't wait to patronize this sale and have some fun!
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  • I added "1 token -Delete every straw/egg owned by you from a single horse on a single account. " under Misc items.
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  • Oh you are an ANGEL Ammit, that's the best! My freezer is in desperate need of a cleanup :0
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  • SummerMonarch over on Mesa is a well of good ideas. I can't take credit for this one. :)
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  • Ammit this is fantastic! This pricing is extremely reasonable and honestly lower than I expected for these. It will be so fun to see what players come up with during this sale, and I’m looking forward to it so much
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  • So, I know exactly what I want off the list so far. When you open the sale, are you going to add a post/chat/place where we can get quotes for our order before we actually buy the tokens?

    This is mostly in regards to the herd helpers. A) What's being planned so far so we don't get multiple of the same things. I will absolutely change my order if what I want is already made, and make something else. B) What I want has none of the more expensive gmts, but I would love a perfect foundation and an exceptional of the exact same thing. C) This would help us know what rank our HH would be for buying creates on multiple servers. D) We can plot together to make the most of this sale.
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  • If you want to make a chat room for planning herd helpers between members you are welcome to. I am not entirely sure what you are suggesting though.
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  • I guess in my head I went to a pan chat just for the sale.
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  • It is not something I would use for ordering but it might be a good place to have for people to help answer questions for one another and help take some of the load off me, plus it would allow for cross server communication on the things that impact all servers (new hhs and tack)
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  • I think the pan chat would be great to go over ideas!
  • Just a heads up that a way more people seem excited about the idea of creating backgrounds than I expected. Frankly that is the most time consuming and stressful thing out of all the options listed. One person suggested it and frankly I thought they would be the only one interested. The interest looks like it might be really overwhelming for me. (A good problem to have I know.)

    To keep it from getting out of hand I am going to handle that part of the sale separately from the rest with its own time slot. I also will be putting all the member special sale backgrounds into a single tack pack so we don't get overrun. Everyone who contributes art will of course be named in the tack pack description.
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  • Adding a "Moving Sale Discussion" pan chat for coordinating backgrounds, and herd helpers across alls servers, and general pre-feedback on those to help lighten the load.
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  • @ShowJumping4Ever
    If you go to "Upgrade" > "Upgrades for HBs" you can exchange game money for IV's, and use the IV's to buy barns.

    Pastures can only be purchased with real money, but if you have enough game cash, you can have members purchase pastures for you in exchange for that. As a general rule of thumb, $10 equates to about 1,250,000 hbs. So if you wanted a 10-acre pasture bought for you (priced at $7.50 USD) expect to pay around 950,000 hbs for it.

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  • I'm not sure if this is something that could be done, but would editing breed rules at all be possible? For example, one of my breeds is "light boned, pony size" but I would really like if it had no height rule.
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  • That's a great idea!
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  • Moving from a forum post to the price list being on Google Docs.
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ab30VboWSyOaq9jb93o9cOMnxBGPWsqWNw8FYeph1g/edit?usp=sharing
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  • Yay! I'm going to have to get several of those. I rearranged my breeds and decided I don't want height restrictions. Lol
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  • "Clone any deceased lined horse with breeder permission*"

    Just to clarify... For University-Bred lined horses, would we need to contact the last owner and/or person who had the horse created by the university?
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  • The person who created the clone probably if the horse was lined and was going to stay lined.
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  • @Ammit, could you make a running list of new HHs you make during this sale so that we can se which new ones will be available to use as building blocks?
  • Sure :)
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  • Have you considered if you would permit a DFP1 or chocolate herd helper since neither require a license? If so, I would like to try to crowdfund a DFP1 building block like @Lallyhop did for the KP one.
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