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Introducing Khansuudyn Suns, founder of the Chocolate allele!
  • The Chocolate allele is found in most breeds of dogs and many domesticated animals but is notably absent in horses. It is a mutation of the gene TYRP1. TYRP1 mutations have long since been bred out of domestic horses save for a few lines like Mongolian horses. Chocolate, as depicted here, is not a true horse gene but I am going to let it fall into the "hypothetical" category. There is no reason why it could not be found in an exciting forgotten line from the wild steppes.

    Chocolate is recessive and requires two copies of (bb) to show. It works by turning black pigment into chocolate-colored pigment. Horses that do not show black pigments like ee, heavy dilution, and watercolor horses will not show chocolate. Chocolate is NOT a dilution it is an actual shift in the structure of the pigment resulting in a unique shade of 'black' pigment.

    Chocolate is a limited edition gene. It is not creatable in foundations but can be added via the RGS or the GMT lab. It is available right now.

    As a grand milestone horse, celebrating 10 million horses on Bluegrass Server and 5 million horses on Forest Server, a straw from Khansuudyn Suns has been gifted to every member of the server. You have three seasons to use it before it expires. Straws are only usable by upgraded members, but free accounts have received a straw as well and will have access to them if they upgrade before the straws expire.

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    Khansuudyn Suns
    Need to contact me? Read this first. Only send me a PM for PayPal issues or if I ask you to. Otherwise, make a forum post. You will get a better faster answer by making a post.

    I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )


    she/her
  • *Cue fangirl squealing*

    Thank you Ammit!
    ^:)^
    ID# 47364

    Breeding for all version of black drafts using chimera foundations.
    Help me build my black brindle army!
    Always looking to buy B/Red foundation brindle drafts in black, blue roan, grullo, classic champagne, etc.

    I can be very scatterbrained and forgetful so if I don't get back to you in a decent amount of time just poke me.
  • So, I have never been here when any of the previous milestone studs have been released and am super nervous about figuring out who to pair him with.

    How will this guy do with a B papered mare?

    Does he have some extra magic in his genetics that will help foals created from his straws pass testing or is it a gamble just like any other stallion straw in the breeding lab?
    ID# 47364

    Breeding for all version of black drafts using chimera foundations.
    Help me build my black brindle army!
    Always looking to buy B/Red foundation brindle drafts in black, blue roan, grullo, classic champagne, etc.

    I can be very scatterbrained and forgetful so if I don't get back to you in a decent amount of time just poke me.
  • Does he have some extra magic in his genetics that will help foals created from his straws pass testing or is it a gamble just like any other stallion straw in the breeding lab?



    Your best bet is expro mares or even better double boosted mares, as he is 110% ability.
    Need to contact me? Read this first. Only send me a PM for PayPal issues or if I ask you to. Otherwise, make a forum post. You will get a better faster answer by making a post.

    I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )


    she/her
    Thanked by 1BlackWyld
  • Thanks Ammit. :)
    I plan to match him with an ExPerf mare.
    ID# 47364

    Breeding for all version of black drafts using chimera foundations.
    Help me build my black brindle army!
    Always looking to buy B/Red foundation brindle drafts in black, blue roan, grullo, classic champagne, etc.

    I can be very scatterbrained and forgetful so if I don't get back to you in a decent amount of time just poke me.
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    2G Chocolate Suns

    She didn’t pass BA, but she’s an awfully flashy show pony! Thanks Ammit!
  • Two questions:
    Is it worth just using a non-boosted Expro mare and saving my IVs to boost the foal?

    Also I have two alt accounts who won't use these straws. I understand selling them would be a no-no, but could I host a giveaway for them instead?
    ID 43830
    It's nice to be back! :)
    <>| Era 16 project - belton spotted tobianos |<>
    Thanked by 1BlackWyld
  • Thank you for this awesome new gene Ammit! I am in love with the look of it. Now I have to decide which line gets it - the brown splash M or the silver black chinchilla. Decisions, decisions :) Here is my girl, out of a Rhythm of Four mare. She is my favorite color - heavily dappled buckskin
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    Daughter Of The Sun
  • Should I use this straw on a black horse or a bay horse?!
    Celestial Performance Horses
    ID 15335
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    II Son of Khan DP Bb sa B


    My gorgeous boy that I can't bring myself to put through breeding advice lol

    ETA: He passed!
    ID#43150 | she/her
    Breeding Warmbloods of superior quality that suit my fancy!
  • Interesting, thank you.
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    WD Crossed Suns

    IAM WolfDen #50695
  • Oh my gosh I love him! And he’s A papered and passed SBA :x Thank you thank you Ammit!

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    5532081
  • How are we getting straws?
  • I got this gorgeous girl that passed BA

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    II Sun Keeper Bb DP
    ID# 45936 - Breeder of high quality Irish Cobs and Ardennes
    I'm also Firebrand! - she/her
  • @AgainstTheOdds It is in your breeding lab, when you go to use your straws to either hand breed or create embryos it will be listed there under the stallions name.
    Thanked by 1AgainstTheOdds
  • Go to the Advanced Breeding Lab, Use Straws. Use the drop down box to find his name "Khansuudyn Suns". Select the mare you wish to use.

    I used my straw on an Exceptionally Perfect Riding Horse mare and got this lovely colt, which is A papered and tested Superior to Sire. Whee! Thanks, Ammit.

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    Suns Surprise


    I will be making him consistent. ... Done.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
  • Thanks, Ammit, for making this gene searchable so quickly!
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
    Thanked by 1BlackWyld
  • Woo! Bought 4 copies already!
    #28036
  • Thank you. My girl papered blue and passed BA.
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    2g 5532693
  • Thank you so much! I love my chocolate boy! He will be a great edition to my lines :D

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    SA Rising Son 2G
    Breeder of Chocolate Chinchilla, Nexus Chinchilla, Satin Chinchilla and DP Mushroom Drafts and Cobs
  • Papered blue and passed SBA, and even got the S+, I love her

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    Khansuudyn Legacy
    ID 45703 | he/him
    Open barn policy - no closed lines! I'm always selling straws and eggs from anything I have that catches your eye, don't hesitate to PM me and ask!
  • Just to clarify, does this gene only require black pigment to "activate" (besides being homozygous recessive), or is it intensified/distorted/shifted by the agouti gene?
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    2g chocolate sup 5535163


    Aga before boost, superior post boost ^_^ I don’t breed “blacks” anymore so I guess I’ll have to bootstrap him haha.
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    RS Heavenly Peal

    I couldn't help it. I differently be removing roan. Then probley add hom s+. Will DP darken the this gene or not?
    Thanked by 1AgainstTheOdds
  • I just happened to have a stud project that I wasn't sure what to do with. He just needs sooty +, ice 12 and LP removed.

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    ATO Hez Wild Chocolate 1g
  • How does one get a free straw?
  • It is in your breeding lab, when you go to use your straws to either hand breed or create embryos it will be listed there under the stallions name.
  • Oh found it, Thank you.
  • If I can justify the expense of a boost she might get a chance to stay and not get snipped (passed BA but papered lower than folks so doubt she would pass SBA) as I think she's probably a high red currently and boost could pop her up to a blue. She sure is cute though.

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    G2 HOC 5536515
    Dabbler in EVERYTHING.
  • Here’s my cute chocolaty boy!

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    5536925 khansuudyn foal
    Celestial Performance Horses
    ID 15335
  • i LOVE my baby girl! Thank you Ammit! :x ^:)^
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    RST2g Queen Khan
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    "Always Love Yourself, and never walk alone" ~BTS
    Officially Licensed For My First Fantasy Gene's "Phantom Autumn", "Phantom Spiders", "Phantom Bats","Phantom Lace" "Phantom Diamond Sparkles", "Phantom Jellyfish" and RR Watercolor!! :D
  • Snipped, but too pretty not to try. After two boosts, he's still not as good as his sire, but he IS as good as my XP stallions. He can be my most expensive mediocre stallion. :)

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    PFR Khan Do
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    pfrsue: 42860
    Pray For Rain Sport Horses - Gestalt Warmbloods and Drafts
  • I crossed him with my Hidden Gates mushroom girl and got this pretty filly that passed SBA!
    She was a chocolate palomino at first but I tweaked her a bit.

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    WW G2 HetMU MongolShroom


    Do we know if Khansuuden is hom or het DP?

    I could not edit either allele on my girl so I know she is definitely het but am hoping she is hom.
    ID# 48332
    Breeding for DP, Sty, and S+ in Liver, Browns, Buckskins, and Silver Bays/Browns/Buckskins.
    Bootstraps and Even Lines
    Thanked by 1HTRanch
  • I got a superior son from Khansuudyn Suns! :O

    These kind of things never happen to me on server 1
    :-S

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    5540117 sup KS
  • Aw, mine was only yellow papered.

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    2 suns 5540569
    ID 108
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    Hidden Sun

    Mine is out of a Hidden Gates mare...papered C but may be a boost project for someone. Make an offer if interested.
    BREEDING DARKNESS (ok black liver but it sounds cooler)
    And DP with Sooty Plus in Silver Black, Blue, Sable & Buckskin
    Focusing on the tallest riding horses
  • I didn't even know I needed this...
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    G2 Hot Chocolate
    45120
  • Very intrigued by this gene. I got this beautiful blue papered filly. Thank you Ammit! :x
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    0 CP2 choc sun
  • Thank you so much. I got this filly - passed BA (I know she won't pass sba but that's ok). But I love the look :)

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    2G Khan5551090
    Breeding brown/liver/black with white spotting drafts. If you ever fancy straws PM me. PM me if you need help with GE.
  • First of all, thank you!
    Second, would you mind letting us know how long it will be available for?
    ID# 47068
    Breeding (mostly) warmbloods that are FF Ssty/+Ssty/+ pp with additional fun colors and patterns.
    Licensed for axiom red, and wrong warp; chinchilla; ice 3; onyx; phantom autumn, bats, and spiders.
    Live long and prosper.
  • Thank you Ammit! This boy passed SBA and tested superior to his daddy! :)

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    g2 Khans Countdown
    ID: 40723
  • Couldn’t help myself. Boyo looks amazing :x
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    0 CP1 Futuristic
  • In case anyone wants to know what it looks like on a sooty bay mushroom ...

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    01X A Scanner Darkly


    :X

    #40789
    Thanked by 1BlackWyld
  • I had to boost my foal to get him to pass and make him superior. I also have a hom foundation. Foal from straw:

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    2A4 KhansGift CbB


    Hom foundation:

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    1B5 EP ChocoLa bb
  • Hmmm, On my screen ChocoLa's picture has not updated since I added Hom DP, Sty and S+ and changed AA to Hom brown. If he has dapples his picture is updated.
  • Do you need to “own” this gene to buy straws from a horse that carries it? It shows up orange, and I haven’t bought the license, but I technically own a horse with it (from my straw).
  • @BreezyCreek, no. We all automatically got a free straw from the above stallion, which means it is an open gene.
    Love,
    Chase ♡

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