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- Ammit June 2024
- HighstormFarm June 2024
- kintara June 2024
BA vs SBA Help Me Understand
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Okay so I have managed to completely confuse myself about the differences between BA and SBA and when and how to use them and interpret results.
As I understand it BA compares a foal to its parents and if it is a good result for the parents it will pass. BA is a good test for uneven breeding since the foal is not being compared to each parent individually.
SBA will only keep foals intact who are as good as or better than both the sire and dam. Foals are compared to each parent individually, so if a foal is the same quality as the sire, but lower quality than the dam they are altered. If a foal passes SBA they will comparison test AGA or Superior to since any foal who is worse that their sire or dam is snipped. The exclusion is cap quality ** who will always pass since they are as good as you can get without boosting.
Where I get confused is that "Normal Breeding Advice cares if a foal is a good result for that cross not if the foal is superior to its parents." So does that mean BA is more strict than SBA if it will alter foals who are superior to its parents, but deemed not a good outcome? I was also told that "Unless one of the horses in the pedigree was boosted, then SBA won’t work for even."
Thank you for any and all help in wrapping my head around this :x -
"Unless one of the horses in the pedigree was boosted, then SBA won’t work for even.""
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean lol.
It sounds like from your post you have a really solid understanding of how it works but you are overthinking things some.
"So does that mean BA is more strict than SBA"
-No SBA is stricter
"if it will alter foals who are superior to its parents, but deemed not a good outcome?"
-That does not happen. If a foal is super to both its parents it will pass BA and SBA.
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"Unless one of the horses in the pedigree was boosted, then SBA won’t work for even."
I think they are referring to when there is a boosted horse in the pedigree then SBA is more likely to alter the horse because of the discrepancy in quality between the parents even if they are the same generation. At first I read is as SBA will only work for even bred horses who have a boosted horse in their pedigree, which is what confused me.
Thank you, I think I am overthinking and confusing my self. I was looking at a post for the bad to good project and I think that's where I got mixed up since people were advised to use SBA not BA to test foals. -
Ammit you posted words to this effect in another post somewhere, which definitely confused me
"if it will alter foals who are superior to its parents, but deemed not a good outcome?"
I'm still getting my head around the new BA, probably because I actually understood the old BA and used it and SBA so I didn't have to do comparison testing on my even gen mares, I knew the first pass was to a certain level, and the next pass (SBA) was the next level up. I could test all my fillies from that particular sire and know they were all a certain standard, now it's all over the places as it depends on the mare as well? I can still use SBA for this though? I've been too scared to test anything lately as I've had some really unexpected results! I don't think BA is very useful now unless you are bootstrapping and want some foals to pass? -
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she/herThanked by 1kintara -
Yeh ok, yeh I think it was. So BA on gen2 will alter compared to the best a foundation should be?
Just trying to get my head around it, I did a LOT of comparison testing in the early days, to get handle on exactly where my horses were at, and exactly what BA and SBA were accepting. I liked it when it when BA went to both parents and haven't comparison tested mares at all much since. So I'll just have to do more comparison testing to work out exactly what they are accepting now. Might just have to change some of the way I do things