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Poppidoll · Sep 29, 2023 8:43 PM

I'm currently selling some Rank Specials, and have been following the Herd Helper guidelines for pricing. That being said, I'm seeing other rank specials with similar qualities posted for multiple millions of dollars, whether they are proven producers or not - And they sell within hours!... Am I under charging? Are they over charging simply because the market will bear it? What makes a foundation horse worth millions when it doesn't yet have a track record?

And on this note, I might as well ask generally, as a new player, what's a reliable way to price my next generations as I move forward?

Thank you! :)

BeyondOblivion · Sep 29, 2023 9:35 PM

More than likely these are payment ponies for things purchased in game that you are seeing. Players with trade in game money for real life money spent for genes/barns/pastures/etc. or that horse had a specific gene that was bought for real life money on it. Do you have a link to one of these horses you’re curious about? It’s always easier to help when you link a specific horse.

I haven’t been keeping up with the market as far as generations go nowadays. I never sell my own and the futurities had skewed prices everywhere. Hopefully somebody else can help you with that.

Seaswell · Sep 29, 2023 9:55 PM

There are 2 reasons you might see a foundation horse for sale with a price over a million dollars. 1) The horse has had closed genes added. or 2) It's a payment pony for a service rendered. Usually buying a cash item for another player, but I've seen people pay well for art too so I'm sure there are services I'm not thinking of.

Generally the 300k and up foundations have a gene pattern that that the buyer wants because they have to change minimal things in the gmt lab. Saving money in the lab is always worth more money up front. I for instance will happily drop 500k for a Dove of Peace draft mare.

If your having trouble pricing things for public sale, our auction is always the best way to get exactly what the market will bare. Enter your rank specials for 7 days, one increment above minimum price so the auction bidder doesn't buy them, and make a forum post about who you have available.

As for foals born to your barn. You want to buy barns to keep those babies. Show horses are your money maker, not selling horses. Stuffing barns with geldings and showing them twice a week will make your daily income grow. I keep hearing that 4 show horses to every breeder is a good ratio for income, but I have a stud collecting problem so I always have too many breeders.

Poppidoll · Sep 29, 2023 10:59 PM

@Seaswell I've managed to grab a bunch of Exceptional Show horses through HH's, so my plan to sell the foals was based around being able to keep my show stable full of those. However, keeping the foals as back-up makes sense as the HH's will age out eventually, of course... There's also the consideration that almost my entire 1st and 2nd breeding lines are made up of ExPro Rank Specials, so they may not make good show horses, haha. But I can cross that bridge as they (and I) get more experience. (I have thus far been following the model of 2x - 3x show horses vs. breeders.)

I'm not really thinking the foals will be my money makers, it's more that I honestly have no interest in managing 1000s of horses. I'd rather be a smaller operation, at least within the scale of this game. Quality without the quantity, if that's possible. (I'll find out! :-B ) But again, if I'm not buying horses to show, it makes sense to just keep my culls if they perform well. Especially as it would save me time searching for show ponies!

Side note: It's entirely possible I'm overthinking the space vs rate of horses aging out thing.... I've already purchased 2 additional barns and an additional pasture. I am not short on space, but the idea of running out and not being able to afford more HAUNTS me...

@BeyondOblivion @Seaswell
Okay, that is all wonderful context. So what I'm gathering is the HH guidelines are still a good starting place, and as I get into more "customized" gene combos, the auction would be a good way to set some benchmarks when I'm unsure.

I didn't save links to any of the examples, but if I come across any this weekend I'll update for reference!

Thank you both for your feedback! :)

ObsidianKitsune · Sep 29, 2023 11:44 PM

I will add another reason for why a RS will go for a huge amount, which Seaswell did touch on. Some RS, like New Coke for example, have a very high average sale price, in this case it is 342,931 hbs currently. This is for multiple factors, but simply because people REALLY tend to like max darkening genes on horses (two copies of Sty and two copies of DP), as well as it being a exceptionally perfect. Some genes like Satin can only be added onto a horse in the gmt lab or by paying real money. A single copy of satin costs 20 gmt tokens, which are bought at a rate of 1gmt for 10 IVs. So 20 x 10 = 200 IVs needed, 200 x 12,500 = 2,500,000hbs for a single copy of satin.

For lined horses, honestly they aren't worth much. I tend to just chuck the lined foals in auction if I don't want them. Or, if I think they are really good, I'll put them in auction for 2501 so if no one bids on them, they stay with me. And then I decide what to do with them later. Usually alter and chuck into a show barn so they can earn me points, and thus more money!

Seaswell · Sep 30, 2023 3:16 AM

If it helps when it comes to the running out of space thing... I like to keep everything except a few studs that are good enough by my standards to keep. Sometimes monthly rollover didn't take enough elders, and 14 months ago I had a bumper crop of foals so my cull doesn't clear much space. Instead of stressing about making room I just send all the pasture foals through breeding advice and dump them in the auction. I find this method most handy on small accounts that can almost afford the next barn I want.

Poppidoll · Sep 30, 2023 12:24 PM

@ObsidianKitsune Wow, I need to look at the GMT lab - I have a stud and a mare with satin and had no idea!

And some pricing being purely based on demand makes sense - I guess that's the reason Imari has a higher average price as well (I just sold 2 of those). It's interesting because I personally prefer the diluted colours!

@ObsidianKitsune @Seaswell This is all very reassuring strategy-wise, thank you! I'm currently saving for a 120 stall, and based on show bonuses, I *should* be able to afford one before my 3rd generation starts breeding. I'm gonna try to chill on the overthinking and getting ahead of myself (Though it is a good distraction from real-life stress, haha). Thank you so much!

Seaswell · Oct 2, 2023 4:10 AM

This really is a long strategy game, even if each new horse is an accomplishment. I get a total kick out of looking at my horses by generation and seeing how my taste has changed over the years. It's really noticeable. Mind you the first year and a half I played I didn't bother to try even breeding I just wanted to see all the babies.

ObsidianKitsune · Oct 6, 2023 9:37 PM

Also if you ARE starting to run out of space and need to cull some horses, look at your 10 year old show ponies and older who have finished training (Leveled off). What I tend to do is go to the horse search, enter my ID as owner, enter age as equal 10, and sort my PT. I'll go to the last page and work my way back. I look first to see the horses training status (Leveled off, Trained for the week, or Needs training). If they are Leveled off, then I look at their records tab and see where they have placed in the last few shows. If they're last, or near last, then I'll enter them into auction.

Horses 10 years and older will have an automatic bid of their lifetime payout if entered into auction, which can make getting more space AND getting enough money towards a barn so helpful!

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