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Bootstrapping Questions
  • I am wanting to work on building up a strong show herd. I want to start bootstrapping, but I'm not sure I fully understand how to go about it.

    What is the best way to get started bootstrapping? Should I get a high quality lined stallion and cross him with foundation mares or is it better to start with a foundation stallion?

    How do you select horses to start your herd with? What do you look for in a stallion? What do you look for in mares?

    I'm not sure I completely understand how to asses the quality of the foals produced and how to know when to replace a current stallion.

    I know leaving mares in a pasture gives the foals a boost. Is it better to keep broodmares in a pasture if you can rather than a barn?
  • Hi! I’m newer to the game but I have been bootstrapping so I’ll pass along the info I was told.
    You want to start with a a high quality lined stallion. I personally crossed mine with red papered/exceptionally perfect mares, sometimes lined higher mares if I could get them. Mostly my horses came from red papered ones tho. Imo, experf mares are very valuable when starting bootstrapping. My bootstrap stallions were either given to me by kind players, or purchased by me. I have a few now in my bootstrapping herd so I have varied genetics.
    For the foals, first keep all mares intact. Don’t bother with breeding advice, as your foals will fail in the beginning due to the stallion being so much higher. Geld all stallion foals, which will bring you lots of snow ponies, since they won’t be up to snuff with your stallions. I kept all mares at first, but I started getting blues and golds pretty early on so I started spaying my reds for more show horses.
    When your fillies come of age, you can breed them back to their father or breed them to another high quality bootstrap stallion you own. This will continue to increase the quality of your foals. Don’t bother breeding advice testing them for a few gens cause they need to surpass their parents in order to pass, and it doesn’t really make a difference in your program. Continue gelding all your stallions until you start getting really nice ones that can replace their parents in your program! I have two stallions coming that will replace my bootstrap stallions that will age out.
    I hope this helps! Happy bootstrapping- it’s so fun

    Edit: I forgot the part about the mares and pasture. Leaving mares in pasture is a great idea, but remember they won’t make you money showing while they’re in there. I leave my nicest mares in pasture, and let the others I don’t really need for breeding anymore stay in a barn to show instead. Before breeding your mares in your barn, you should throw them in pasture for breeding, even if it’s just for a few minutes- cause it’s half the price to breed in pasture, 500 in fees instead of 1000. I only figured this out this week so I’ve been spending more money than I had to on breeding, haha.
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  • Also- if you’re needing stallions, I have a bunch of star ones, way more than I need. I would be happy to give you a couple for your bootstrap herd
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  • Thank you! That is all very helpful <3<br />
    I have one stallion that is old enough to use and 2 that are still foals, that I was potentially going to use once they were older.

    I'm not sure if this stallion is worth starting with or if I should try to find something better?
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    These two I was planning to use once they were old enough.

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  • It looks like your stallion is the first generation hit star. Personally I am bootstrapping with a stallion that has 15 generations of stars.

    I can give you this guy if you're interested in using him. I think he's at 8 gens of stars.

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    Your yearlings look fab with their 14+ PT though!
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  • I think those yearlings would be great, I personally wouldn’t use the first one cause his PT is lower. For bootstrap I tend to stick with 13+, tho I’m phasing my lower 13 ones out Sometime in the near future and getting higher ones to replace them
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  • Honestly? You can use that stallion until the yearlings come of age. The yearlings are most likely better quality (you would need to comp test to be sure). It would be a good way to get interesting colours in your bootstrap herd as well as still improving on the quality of the mares. Then you can breed those resulting foals to the yearling when he comes of age.

    The only way to truly assess the quality of the foals produced in bootstrapping, especially in the beginning, is to paper/breeding inspection them. Breeding advice (NOT inspection) can let through some foals that are slightly worse than their parents, which is why we have Strict Breeding Advice as well. Even so, the foals would be much more worse than their sire that they would be altered anyway. I will, however, BA the colts to get a rough idea of the quality. If any pass, I know it is getting close!

    You want to try and have an increase in papering for the foals compared to their lower quality parent. For mares, this'll go from Yellow, to Red, to Blue, to Gold. If I start getting more of the high papers I will cull the lower ones.

    Performance testing (PT) is not an indication of the foals breeding quality, but of the parents. Average Foal PT can give you hints as to whether a horse is a good producer or not. Inconsistency will lower PT of said horse. If you are a premium member, I think this is already calculated for you if the horse has enough foals.
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  • @GreenAcres873 That makes sense. I would love to add that boy to my BS strong.

    @VenemousGiant, I am looking forward to using them in a couple seasons

    @ObsidianKitsune That sounds like a good plan for him. I admit part of the reason I got him was because he is pretty, lol. Thank you for the explanations. I think I am beginning to wrap my head around it all ❤️
  • He will be up for you in the Chinchilla chat !
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  • Thank you so much ❤️
  • So glad I found this the thread. It's the best description I've been able to find so far!

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