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You can just look at any appaloosa and see how fast it is varnishing. It is pretty obvious once you start looking.

The search function is super handy. :)

Over on bluegrass, I bred for slow-varnishing appies, so evergreen was a godsend to me. The varnish rate is separate from both LP and PATN. It is a hidden, untestable gene.

Halo (Varnish Regulator 2) is a varnish gene, but I think it's on a separate genome than "regular" varnish. I am less certain about that, though.

A second copy of LP will not overwrite the slow-varnish (this girl also has roan, but it's easy to see that she does not have a lot of LP varnishing going on, despite her advanced age.):


Ats Snake Plant

See also this lady (not mine, so I can't guarantee her picture is updated, but she looks consistent with over mid-teenage evergreens I've had).

14078953Evergreeh


A list of Evergreens on the Bluegrass server:
https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&lined=0&tattoo=evergreen&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0&73=2&80=2&81=2&82=2&86=2&87=2&88=2&90=2&93=2&119=2&120=2&121=2&132=2&139=2&140=2&offset=25

Versus Non-evergreen apps (which will still include some slow varnishers, just by random genetics):
https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&lined=0&tattoo=evergreen&tat_lm=not+like&40=1&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0&73=2&80=2&81=2&82=2&86=2&87=2&88=2&90=2&93=2&119=2&120=2&121=2&132=2&139=2&140=2

Mostly patience, and committing to have a willingness to walk away from mares (or stallions) that turn out to not be slow varnishers, even if you otherwise think they are very cute. Only of my early 2g stallions with at least one evergreen parent did not inherit the slow varnish... which I didn't realize until he'd already sired several crops of foals. If you can, waiting until a horse is 5 or 7 before breeding them will give you an idea if they are going to be super fast varnishers.

1) Unfortunately, I have no idea. I'm pretty sure "Drums of Dun" only applies when dun is present, but some like "Hanging Final Frame" and "Calculating Eye Color" show up even where there don't appear to be genes that would impact them. Plus, we have no idea what phrases are triggered but are flipped through faster than the computer can load. I suspect that "Applying Poly Varnish" happens on all horses with LP, but I genuinely don't know.

2) I think you're reading too much into it. I would not put it past Ammit to be sneaky like that (that's a compliment, Ammit!). I do note that usually when a herd helper triggers another, that herd helper is included in the Herd Helper descriptions with a tag "This herd helper triggers the following primary herd helpers:" but Holly and Ivy doesn't have any of that. I haven't breed enough with Holly and Ivies on my bluegrass account to have a suspicion either way.

If you would like to start your appy herd, I accidentally bought this lady thinking I was on my Bluegrass account. I have no use for her over here, so I'd pass her to you for create price if you'd like her.


RS EGB 55885

A fellow OotSer!

I am always on the look out for Dun Splash Exceptional Producing light boned fillies, if you happen to roll up any creates.

I've added you to my chat and put her up for you.

1 for Felding

Tadaaaa