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  • I think the new text that goes along with the creates is great! I did find that it was really easy to make money the first few days because I knew I could sell the pointed creates for a lot of money! I'm not sure that a true new user understands that, but I also recognize that isn't the point of the game. The new text definitely encourages show horses. I just created my Creamsicle and the text made me realize I should probably create some show ponies next.
    Alternate account of StormwoodFarm (#50888)
  • I can't wait until I have enough hbs to purchase an upgrade for this account- entering shows by hand is exhausting! I forgot that the small button to the left of the names was so easy to miss!

    I'm really enjoying all of the achievements. They're nice reminders for how to get started and are helping remind me what else I need to do with my horses to be successful (for some reason on my main account I just do these things without prompting, but it is as if I'm looking at the game for the first time again!)
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  • I'm having a hard time choosing a direction for my breeding goals. I believe this is how I started all of my accounts- a little bit of everything and in every color. I breed riding ponies on my main account, and I breed red-based ponies on Bluegrass server. I know part of this game is about choosing what you like but when you like a lot of things it can be hard to make a decision! Maybe we need some kind of new user "how to pick a breeding goal" guide... I'm imagining some kind of quiz where you just pick between two images, which do you like better, and then maybe it spits out what you chose most frequently? There are a lot of gene loci in this game, so I know it would be hard to be all-encompassing, but maybe it would be a start? I'm just brainstorming...

    How does everyone else pick breeding goals? I'm stumped choosing for my account haha.
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  • I love your quiz idea with the pics side by side. Something I've noticed about myself is that I will look at a horse and really like it but not know exactly why. If they have white markings of course it's easier, which is why I think a of users breed for white markings, because its easy to visually narrow down exactly what you're looking for. But a quiz like that might be able to help sort out what other factors you like in a horse.... if you're picking horses with panagre every single time, you might not recognize that specific gene as what is giving a horse that "something" that you like, but a gene comparison tool would catch it! I love this idea so much.

    I personally ha e been playing nearly a year on one account and about 9-10 months on another and haven't picked breeding goals yet, at least intentionally. I started with a bootstrap herd here on my main forest account, and the genes were a mixed grab bag of whatever people were kind enough to gift me. After breeding those horses for a few seasons, a goal kind of organically came out of it. I found that I like satin and I like w8 or kitm, but I'm not a huge fan of splash, so I had to change what stud I was using because he was throwing a lot of splash babies. His brother doesn't have it so that solved that problem, then I found that his brother throws a lot of KP on his foals and oh BOYYY do I like how that looks over satin and white. I also love the few foals I get with hom silver, so I've been trying to find more bootstrap mares with silver on them to give more of that to my lines.

    That's a small summary of what I've learned over a year on Forest. I'd love to see something that narrowed that down a little because it can be overwhelming to try to just start something, since breeding horses tend to be am investment.
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  • Another idea: can we add an achievement for buying IVs and using them? Or buying a GMT token and using it?

    I didn't understand these things when I first started in the game. I definitely didn't know that you could buy a basic upgrade with game money (and that made a HUGE difference in me staying in the game).

    I also am about to buy my first GMT token on this account because I created a Pretzel Twist with nearly 2000 points and I think that one will become a boy and be my first stallion on this account...
    Alternate account of StormwoodFarm (#50888)
  • I loooove the quiz idea. Part of the fun is choosing exactly what you want to breed but having an idea of what you like is great.
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  • How would this quiz work and what would it look like?
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  • @Ammit I'm imagining it working almost like one of those silly Buzzfeed quizzes ("What type of dog are you?") but instead of arbitrary questions about your personality it would just be "which horse color do you like better?" with two images of horses from the game. I'm not sure how the coding would work for this... but maybe at the end it can tell you some patterns for things you chose most often. For example, "you selected n horses that are black base (E_ aa) and n horses that have white spotting patterns. Here is a link to pictures of the different white spotting patterns"
    Alternate account of StormwoodFarm (#50888)
  • I can see it, Stormwood! Picture A and B, or up to four pictures - click on the picture you're most attracted to. Do this several times, as the AI narrows down the things you are looking at - did you choose black more often than bay or chestnut? Did you choose appy spots or splash? It would be sort of like a game of Master Mind where the computer guesses which right color is in the right place. You'd have to go through several iterations though, at least 10-15 image groups. The coding would need to determine that a player prefers black-based over red based, patterned or solid, and from there you might be able to go further into dilutions or darkening genes, and which white patterns are preferred.

    Folly's Marionette #54601
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  • @FolliesMarionette yes! Exactly like that. I think it could help make at least some preliminary decisions.
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  • Heck, I would use that -now- when trying to decide on a new line. A random image generator might be fun too. Looking for your next line? Click this button - A black appaloosa comes up. Don't like it? Click again. I might need to put all the genes into a spreadsheet and create a randomizer, just for me!

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  • But which two images from the game? Just random ones?
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  • Random would be awesome if that can be coded in. How many ambassadors are there? I think a static or dynamic selection from among the ambassador horses would be best, because it's a realistic gene pool and the number of horses is limited. The AI wouldn't have to look at every horse, just that particular selection.
    But I believe the vast majority of those online quizzes use a set of static images that adapts (or more likely doesn't) as you click through.
    I kind of envision starting with the basics - Black or red based, moving into dilutions or darkening genes, then into pinto or solid, some sort of progression. But I can also see being presented with unrelated images repeatedly, and I'm not sure which idea I like better (or which is easier LOL).
    I'm wondering if image pairs or groups of 4 would be better.

    Folly's Marionette #54601
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  • I think there are builders out there where you guys can make your own versions of such a quiz using the game images. That could be cool.
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  • Now my brain is running away with a Uquiz.... It would be so fun to design! Maybe if I have time at some point. Like 10 different end results?
    One for Bootstrap vs Even breeding?
  • I'm excited that others are interested in this, too! I think it could be really fun.
    @whywishesarehorses I'm not sure how bootstrapping versus even breeding would work here? What are you thinking?
    Alternate account of StormwoodFarm (#50888)
  • We are talking about colors and patterns here, aren't we? What does bootstrapping have to do with it?

    Folly's Marionette #54601
    Main Account: Folly's Fantasies #43484
  • Ok, I think what we are looking for is called an "outcome quiz."
    Google Search: Personalized Outcome Quiz

    First question, what are our defined outcomes? Black, Bay, Chestnut are simple. But then we add layers of complexity with darkening genes (Sooty, DP) and dilution genes (Dun, Pangare, Silver, etc.), and further layers of complexity with pinto (Tobiano, splash, frame, appy...)
    Second question, what images would we use to get there?

    This was just a quick search, I'm too tired to go any further with this right this moment. It was a long day.

    Folly's Marionette #54601
    Main Account: Folly's Fantasies #43484
  • I love this idea! The first 5 questions could just be black, bay or chestnut and then it starts adapting and narrowing down based on what you pick. You picked chestnut for 3 of the 5 and bay for the other 2? Well you clearly seem to like red horses so then it throws out the black horses and adds more variation to the reds like sooty, dp, pangere, flaxen, cream. Once the quiz finishes it could link back to the genetics guide or something to help you figure out how to get what you liked. I do remember liking grullos when I first started playing but didn't realize dun was making them that color and gave up breeding for them because I was confused so mabe the genetics guide could be expanded a little bit.
  • It's been well established that the genetics guide needs work. Lots of it. I'd love to see search links to example horses, maybe I'll try to tackle some of that, and send my stuff to Confluence to see where it might go next.

    Folly's Marionette #54601
    Main Account: Folly's Fantasies #43484
  • I think the quiz idea is genius! Thatd definitely be something id use :)
  • I feel like if it can, at the end, show you the genetic information and colour names of all the horses you clicked on to signify that you liked them. That way people would seem a common thread. "I have clicked on all horses with 'D', maybe I need to look at that gene more" etc etc
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  • Yes, I absolutely envision this. "It looks like you have a preference for [color name] with [type of] markings/darkening/dilutions. You should look for horses with [genes]" and links to the genetic info.
    Folly's Fantasies #43484 (she/her): Horses, straws, and eggs from my Doubleskunk tribute herd are always free.
  • I'm so glad others are interested in the quiz! I think it would be helpful. I eventually came up with an idea for breeding goals, but I'm still just not completely psyched about them. (Maybe my problem is that I chose horses and not ponies this time! Lol).

    I really enjoyed this experience to look at the game with fresh eyes. I love the new updates on the create page and on the sale page. The link to what herd helpers generally sell for is especially helpful! This is something that I still often struggle with. As an actual new player, I was often confused as to why certain herd helpers (for example, Pretzel Twist) would sell but my Vault of Stars creates would not. This new resource is going to be extremely valuable to new players and to the HAJ community in general.

    I really appreciate how many changes were made "in real time" with our observations and suggestions. We all know that Ammit is wonderful, but this is a very visible example.

    Some things I think could still be done:
    1) A separate tab for achievements instead of having it on the home screen. I think it could be highlighted in orange, like other important links.
    2) Player guides really need some updating. I have a hunch you're already planning to get our input for these with another fun contest, but it's still worth mentioning.
    3) Is there a chart somewhere that shows the benefits of an upgrade? Some kind of chart that shows what you get with no upgrade, with a basic upgrade, and with a premium account would be useful.
    ... I don't think I'm 100% clear *still* on what features are available at the basic upgrade. I only just realized I could change my breed name!
    On this chart, a link to how to get a basic upgrade with game money could be helpful, as well.

    I know we have an achievement for posting to the peer group, but I personally didn't find the peer group itself that helpful. I'd assume that linking to the peer group is intending to get people involved on the forum, but maybe there are other achievements to add that will lead people there? The forum is such an important resource! I'd imagine you lose more players that don't engage in the forum community than those that do...

    Thanks for a fun opportunity to view the game through fresh eyes and for offering some bonuses! It's been fun. :)
    Alternate account of StormwoodFarm (#50888)
  • Thanks so much. I sent you a 60 acre paster and 4 Brand New Day straws.

    Happy to send more thank yous to anyone who can actually figure out how to muke such a quiz function in a meaningful way with all the variety we have in-game.
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  • Ammit, you mentioned there are places you think we could create our own quizzes. Could you point me in the direction of a few? I might try my hand at it.
  • Nope. I have zero ideas what any of those are. I don't take quizzes like that.
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  • Thanks, Ammit! I’ll have to see what I can figure out quiz-wise. It sounds like it could be a fun project!
  • This is one of the sites I was looking at before I got distracted by RL things. I think first we need an outline - WHAT are we seeking, and HOW will we get there.
    https://www.typeform.com/help/a/outcome-quizzes-360058072351/
    Folly's Fantasies #43484 (she/her): Horses, straws, and eggs from my Doubleskunk tribute herd are always free.
  • If there's enough interest I'll set up a chat room for this project. What do you think, Stormwood?
    Edit: I set one up. I'm game to see if this idea is feasible.
    HAJ Breeding Goals Quiz Group
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  • StormwoodFarm I am sending 3 straws and 1 30-acre pasture.

    FolliesFantasies I am sending 5 GMTs. :D
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