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While I’m thinking. I’m fairly deep into this and I don’t understand the difference between Wnumber and White Factor. I also don’t know what each of the Wnumber’s does. I know I love W1, and I know how W2 looks, but… I’d really like a link or two that I could follow and learn more.

I really, really, enjoy this platform and I appreciate the time and effort it went into creating this. Thank you.

Sorry. But, outside of this month, is this a problem? I’m very young (even though I’m coming over here to try and do this exact thing) but everyone I’ve seen do this seems to be a bit bumbling and awkward? Maybe the experts are quiet?

Yes. Smart. The value of HBs is fascinating. I sold a new coke on here (forest) for a million (and got multiple offers) whereas on mesa I see people offering 100K for the same horse. I don’t envy you trying to figure this all out.

Granted, I can only ever manage 1 account fully, so I am unsure how this will impact people who have multiple accounts.

I can agree that having too many pointed creates in game could be an issue just like foal churning but I think it would still be good if new members were able to use it to make enough money to buy at least like a 210 stall barn so they have space to start growing their herd before the points run out. You can't do much on a 2000 hb daily income so when the pointed creates run out and you're only at 2000 that's when it becomes an issue. They can easily get that size barn with the horses with so many points so I think it would be good if the create a horse page gave an explanation of selling pointed horses for new people. If you're going to limit the number then maybe it could explain that pointed horses are worth more to sell but you only get so many and even give them a countdown on each one they create so they know when that's going to run out. Either that or significantly increasing the achievement cash and making the welcome barn bigger. Gotta have someplace to put those shoes ponies and that was my biggest pain point when I was truly new. Barns are cheaper for people with fewer stalls but they're still really expensive if you aren't making a good daily income and you kind of get stuck.

I was thinking of of after you have 20k points having the points per horse slowly reduce until you get to about 60k per horse. Also achievements that walk you through buying your first barn. Getting new members set up with a proper show herd seems to be very needed. We have a start to that. Just need to take it all the way.

Right now it works on how many points you own among all the horses you own.

I could also have another number that tracks the points of all living horses in the game you created (foundations only) and if you have over 80 or 100k worth of points out there living then you can no longer make pointed creates.
That way if you leave your account for a long while and come back you get to start making pointed creates again but it really limits how many new creates you can make in a decent-sized window.

This all with improvements to new member income as well.

Curious thought: maybe something to really show off to new players how important a show herd is: what if there was a "special" unsellable horse that boosted their daily bonus by a chunk, as a reward for completing all achievements? If it was an older horse it would age out after a few months, but it would help counter that low number of only 2k bonus that isn't much to go on. Then they could be encouraged to retain more points for themselves in the meantime, so that when the special horse ages out, they have a more solid foundation to work with. And having it come after the achievements and not before would ensure they had a week or two in which to experience the lack of a bonus. Maybe even stretch the achievements out so they take one full month to finish.

Yeah, one thing about selling the pointed creates is showing them the value of points... But if people do the points selling thing for too much it wasn't good. But being able to keep the pointed horses going means they have to keep the account too small to do anything with it... Very confusing. maybe doing a cap is the best thing, have it a big enough number that they could sell some to get out of the early stage financial lags and get a basic upgrade, but still have a show herd... I don't know. I have been encouraging new players to use that strategy too

Also what if there was a special show division for new players where they could earn awards and maybe even higher points per show? Like a novice section? I know eras are supposed to do this to some extent but maybe something restricted even a little further? Could get people excited about showing and help them build up a show herd a bit faster.
I agree that the pointed creates is a bit out of hand. It makes me a bit uncomfortable lol. I'm having fun experimenting with this account but I can see it causing issues. Especially players having unending secondary accounts just to fund their primary.
It isn't an instant gratification sort of game, but that's one thing I love about it. It takes time to work towards a goal and that keeps me more interested in the long run. How to keep new players interested long enough to get to that point is I guess the question, and it's complicated lol.

Tomorrow I think I am going to go in and make the following tweaks. (The plan is to do more as well later but just this for tomorrow.)

1) Go through existing achievements and give MUCH more XP and cash for each one.
2) Add a 100k "living" cap to the number of points an account can have created in total over all living horses in the game.
3) Soften the pointed create cap so you get half the amount of points on your creates from 20k to 40k and a quarter of the number of points on creates from 40k to 60k.
4) You can no longer create pointed creates if you have more than 60k points in your account OR foundations you created in the game have 100k or more points in total.
5) I will be adding the information about how many points you have left that you can create, and show the daily bonus every time you create a horse to help drive home why showing horses are important. Maybe include an info box about it as well.

Normally I would give this a bit more time but we have this new account event going on right now with the Forest server. Also, this is only giving even more to new members, not taking anything from them so it shouldn't be an issue.

You are welcome to make a new puppet account to try out how this feels once I get it out. Just make sure you don't go over your free account limit (you can always deactivate some)

What you are doing makes sense. When I started being able to make and sell high pointed fillies consistently, I realized it was turning upside down the entire fabric of the game. Having said that, I will wipe out my smaller account later this month because it will no longer be profitable, but it's been one heck of a ride. Actually, to be clear, I was planning to do this in July anyway...
I especially like #1, because here on Forest when i met an achievement and won 500 hbs it felt almost silly, knowing what 500hbs can buy you.. I appreciate what you are doing here, and am wondering if you have hired an anthropologist to help study the effects of the changes in the game.

That already is an achievement

Ok, would the 100K living point cap affect just newbies, or bigger accounts too? I am trying to remember to show more on my big account, but that would really hurt trying to get my show bonus up again on wildland acres. Like would this just nerf the established players and get rid of the show pony market?

cloverbunny, I like it. but I don't think so

Oh... i misunderstood

@summermonarch I want to hear that story

Rivermeadows, if you sign up for the newsletter, you get a 1000 pointer horse every month. I would strongly push that.

The horse thing helps until barn space runs out. I would be running out soon to if I didn't have a basic upgrade. Like yes points, and number of horses fluctuates, but it took 35 horses to get to the 20k pointed create cap. That cap will be boosted to 40k tomorrow, that means roughly 4k daily bonus, but let's just say that will be 70 horses to hit that cap. Starting non upgraded account is 40 stalls, with 1 stallion and 10 mares in pasture, and a 15 welcome pack barn... that's 66 horses. The 100k lifetime points helps because without a basic upgrade or extra barn bought they will have their barns stuffed to the brim with horses and even though way faster than otherwise it would still be a long wait for more space to do anything with the horses for a new player... That is the tricky thing, don't give them everything off the bat, especially for non upgraded players, but give them room to get a show string and still have fun with the horses in the meantime (Like ok, people can spend all day clicking to individually show them all, but that was something I at least never enjoyed) The 1.99 three months basic upgrade really helps though. That gives us 147 spots between pasture, primary and welcome pack, and I guess this encourages players to support the game.

When space is an issue keep the horses with higher points and sell or auction ones you don't keep.
If you've been able to PT test them, keep the highest PT with the highest points.
Example: Keep a 10.4 PT 1000-point horse over an 8.6 PT 1000-point horse.

Yes, there are new achievements. Ammit mentioned it on Facebook.