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What is going on with him? Foals
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    I have him paired with my gold 4g mares and a few blue 4g mares. I am trying to figure out why all his foals were altered this season. I breed in pasture. My main goal with him is I want a superior son and daughter of his to continue his line. Last month I just threw in the mares and bred so my chances were extremely low with getting what I wanted. I was just gifted the mare that Cheers bred as a gift this season.
    Any help with him would be much appreciated.
  • You only had two stars and the rest A/blue, so I'm not surprised they were all altered. Probably just bad luck this season, and it looks like there's only 13 foals so not really a whole lot to pull from there. I'd suggest working on getting your numbers up for 4G, which means just increasing the size of your "pyramid". It gets harder and harder to get intacts the higher up the line you go, so just make sure you're maxing your pasture bonus and getting more total to work with, and if you keep going seasons without getting any intacts, then maybe consider tightening your criteria for lower gens and possibly loosening it a bit for the higher ones.
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  • My whole 5G pasture including my best in pasture was altered just happens I don't have many so it explains it
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  • I seriously cut back my total number of 1st and 2nd Generation breeding horses a couple of seasons ago, and it had a major effect on my higher gens. I had hoped that the lower gens I kept were of good enough quality that I could get higher gens with decent quality as well. It didn't work! I've since decided to go back to filling my primary pastures with foundation mares, and 'widening' the base of my pyramid. My head knew that it is all about numbers and increasing chances of foals passing, but my heart forgot that part!
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  • Ruby X should be a good match for him once she gets full pasture bonus. If I can offer you a few more mares from my gen 4s, please let me know.
  • I have high hopes for Ruby. She is everything I wanted. I just need to look at my gens better maybe.
  • To put it in perspective, my G4 pasture contains 28 exclusively all Gold papered mares. I was able to keep the BOP filly this foal crop. So ONE foal for my own use. 4 additional colts passed SBA, and 2 additional fillies passed SBA as well. So that was a total of 7 intact foals that I know of (there may have been 1, possibly 2 more unaccounted for sold this week).

    That puts my intacts thru SBA ranging from 25-32% keepers for this season in that particular pasture.

    Recently I did an inspection of my herd that literally took me 9 days. I culled EVERYTHING off, regardless of how much they meant to me if the quality in the lineage wasnt up to snuff. What I noticed was, I was purchasing stock happily for genes, but didnt pay much mind to the foundation and G2 papers in the pedigree. I culled off I'd say a HEALTHY 75% of my entire population.

    I found a LOT of my purchased stock started as Yellow/C papered foundation, or had Red/B G2s when my home bred herd all had Red/B Foundation and Blue/A G2s. My first cut were the G3s. I sorted them by pedigree. I named them "3S" which is G3 superior to parent, and had "3SR" if they had any yellow/c foundies, or Red/B G2s. That way I had a healthy split. It really limited my purchasing options when looking for lined horses, but has REALLY streamlined my breeding. Now I hit Star/Gold papers much more readily at G4 than I used to. It isnt uncommon for me to have a healthy group to sort thru now, vs before it was maybe 1 or 2 per season.
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  • So even still, sorting G3s is kind of a pain, because I ONLY keep Superior To Parent breeding stock. Once SBA has been done, I literally have to test each one who passed SBA against their parent to ensure a jump in paper quality.

    I also watch AFPT on the mares to keep numbers down, too. If theirs isnt above their own, they're culled off. But that's me, and I LOVE seeing 12+ PT at G4.

    It is also harder to end up with intacts the further into the gens you dip into. Like someone said above... it is kind of a pyramid. No, seriously.

    In my pastures, this may not be completely accurate due to me altering all Red/B paper G2 foals immediately, and all Blue/A paper G4s foals immediately... but this season, my mature mares:
    100 Foundies resulted in 21 Blue/A (21%), I kept 9 (9%).
    88 G2s resulted in 45 intacts (51%), I kept 10 (11%).
    84 G3s resulted in 6 intacts (7%), I kept 5 (6%).
    28 G4s resulted in 9 intacts (32%), I kept 1 (11%).
    18 G5s resulted in 6 intacts (33%), I kept 3 (17%).
    3 G6s resulted in 0 intacts (0%), I kept 0 (0%).
    19 Bootstrap resulted in 4 intacts (21%), I kept 3 (16%).
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  • PT doesn't really matter to me mostly because I don't always show each week. I am trying to start showing more frequently. I am slowly going through my foundies. Trying to figure out how many foundie mares I have. My watercolor boy is C so I try to pair him with yellow mares. I need to narrow my thought process down even more. Thinking about putting my phantoms and watercolors together as one line.
  • I don’t have quite the same numbers at my fingertips that Ruby Jo has, but these are my breakdowns of mares in pastures just for my Rainbow Riot line through the generations. In most cases I have at least some replacement fillies in a barn, but this will be all my breeding age mares for the line:

    Foundation pasture: 100 mares, all ExPerf or ExPro
    Gen 2: 100 mares, all Blue papered
    Gen 3: 76 mares, all Blue papered and AGA benchmark
    Gen 4: 43 mares, all Gold papered and sup to G3 benchmark
    Gen 5: no longer in their own pasture but in with all my fantasy lines. 88 mares in that pasture over 3 fantasy lines, so theoretically about 30 Rainbow Riot mares, all sup to dam
    Gen 6: now all lines are in one pasture, so 5 lines together. 41, so about 8 Rainbow Riot mares, all sup to dam
    Gen 7: 8 total mares, so 1 or 2 Rainbow Riot. I have been breeding my gen 7s for 3 months now. I JUST got my first sup to dam gen 8 filly this season, my very first even bred gen 8 in real life years. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten up this high in all my years of playing as I’ve always gotten frustrated with the diminishing returns.

    Don’t feel bad or frustrated. It’s hard breeding up the generations and even harder if you’re trying to do it with specific lines. The only reason I have done as well as I have is because I own a ton of pastures, which I slowly invested in over my first few years of playing. It seems like there were fewer and less common releases of new paid Fantasy genes back then, which meant when Ammit had a sale it was easy to prioritize buying a pasture or two. Pasture bonus definitely seems to be more and more important the further up you breed, so it may mean you need to reorganize if you don’t have many pastures.

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