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Ktarpey · Oct 2, 2021 9:54 PM

This girl came out of a expro cream HH and I had to double check which one I used when the image generated because, well.... this doesn't look "cream" to me. :-)

Does this mean cream is recessive? Or was it just because she only had one copy?

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BlueValley · Oct 2, 2021 10:04 PM

I copy of cream will not show a visible difference on a black horse. 2 copies will produce a double dilute.

Ktarpey · Oct 2, 2021 10:10 PM

What does double dilute do? In terms of how the foal would look, does that mean that on a black horse 2 copies would look gray?

Xceptional · Oct 2, 2021 10:58 PM

You need the gray gene to make him gray. Two cream genes will give you smokey creams, perlino, or cremello. All are double dilute.

Ktarpey · Oct 2, 2021 11:17 PM

Okay I see. I think that makes sense. I haven't seen a smoky cream come up yet so maybe that's where my confusion lies.

Cheers · Oct 3, 2021 2:32 AM

It’s hard to tell just at a glance a smokey creme from a Perlino or Cremello (which are black, bay and chestnut with hom cream respectively).

This old forum thread I worked on is hopelessly out of date, but will help give you a very basic idea of what the different genes do. Ammit has added a ton of genes, changed the way they display in the game and other things this thread references, but the colors themselves are still fairly relevant. As an old hunter/jumper/eventing/pony club kid from the Southern US, I hadn’t run into many real life colours more exotic than buckskin or palomino. I had seen Tobiano and Appaloosas, but had no idea Champagne or pearl were even a thing! I think the first year or so of me playing this game was just a constant litany of “horses can look like THAT???”

https://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/59603/help-with-the-color-genes-in-this-stallion/p1

Hope the thread helps a little, and I would also recommend just spending some time playing with the Horse Search page. The variation you can get is fascinating.

Ktarpey · Oct 3, 2021 7:57 AM

I felt the same way the first time I saw a picture of a perlino! I was doing photoshop at the time so I thought it was a really good edit. Then when I looked deeper and realized it wasn't, I figured it was probably some form of albinism. I think genetics are so cool, but I still really don't understand them. Chimerism is particularly interesting to me now in real life. The ways it can present, especially on cats, is so fascinating!

Thanks for the link! I'm off to study haha

Ktarpey · Oct 3, 2021 9:05 AM

That was amazing! I'm going to have to read it probably at least 10 more times. Thank you so much for sharing the link and also for the literal years of work you put into it.

Seaswell · Oct 3, 2021 10:20 AM

Bookmark that topic. I still end up reading it a couple of times a year to make sense out of something I'm seeing. Cheers did such a good job explaining.

Ktarpey · Oct 3, 2021 12:28 PM

Definitely bookmarked!

Still curious though, I haven't figured out where the Brindle gene lives. Is it related to panagre or is it hidden somehow?

DevilsParadise · Oct 3, 2021 1:29 PM

Brindle is random. There's a very small chance to get one from a regular create and a slightly better chance to get one from breeding two together. I have a handful of lined brindles, but not many. And I have all of one that was a random create that got it.

Ktarpey · Oct 3, 2021 1:40 PM

So there's no gene to indicate brindle? Wild!

I had an expro create today come out red dun Brindle and thought maybe I was missing something somewhere.

ConfluenceFarms · Oct 3, 2021 2:03 PM

Brindle is not a gene. It comes from cells doing wonky things in utereo!

Ktarpey · Oct 3, 2021 2:11 PM

Wow! I never knew that! So it's the equivalent of something like a port wine stain in humans?

pestilenttempest · Oct 3, 2021 3:16 PM

There is also a heritable “brindle” you can breed for more consistently. Dfp1 and dfp2. Homozygous of either form is cool but together they are gorgeous. Dfp1 is an open gene.

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You can increase your chance of chimeras by breeding two together. I don’t remember the exact percentages.

Ktarpey · Oct 3, 2021 3:28 PM

Omg she is gorgeous :x

Lallyhop · Oct 4, 2021 3:09 AM

A port wine stain is the result of blood vessels acting up - while brindle/chimera is the result of two separate sets of genes coming into one horse, like fused twins, essentially. Two separate fertilized eggs came together into one. In real life there's actually a fair chance you won't be able to see a visible difference - like in the game if the genes for both halves are the same. When the difference gets striking enough, however, you can see some really cool effects.

Also, fun fact - humans can be chimeras too! And often don't know it, either. There's recorded cases of a woman being thought to not be her child's biological mother at first because the initial DNA test showed she wasn't, until they took a sample from a different location.

Ktarpey · Oct 4, 2021 5:07 AM

Wow.... i can't imagine going through childbirth and then having someone tell me that my kid wasn't actually mine, lol

Lallyhop · Oct 5, 2021 2:56 AM

Haha, yeah, I'm sure it was confusing for all involved!

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