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Beginner questions about papers, money, pasture, points, and more...
  • Hi All,

    Brand new player here! I have so many questions...
    1. What are papers, how do you get them, what do the colors mean?
    2. What are the primary means of making money in the game? Does showing become profitable at some point? Or selling? Is it a matter of having a lot of horses?
    3. It seems like horses in pasture can't be shown? So is it best to separate your show herd from your breeding herd?
    4. Not exactly a question, but I'm sort of afraid to do breeding advice on some horses because they're pretty and I don't want them altered. What is the general strategy for this that makes the most sense?
    5. What is the possible range of show point ratings of a horse, minimum and maximum? Does a higher point level mean that the horse will win shows more often?
    6. How does the showing algorithm work, exactly (e.g. does it just compare point rating among entrants, or...)?
    7. Some herd helpers say they will produce "perfect" or "exceptionally perfect" foals. What is the range of imperfect to perfect possibilities? Is exceptionally perfect the highest? In what way are the foals perfect?
    8. Some Herd Helps say "Top Producer" or something similar. What does that mean, exactly, and what is the range of possibilities?
    9. What is the general objective of the game? We are breeding horses to eventually achieve what?
    10. Can foundation horses made with the "create a horse" function ever be competitive or are they just poor starting points from which to breed a better herd?
    11. Are there prizes for getting on the leader board in eras or breeder clubs?

    Thanks to anyone who takes the time to give me more insight!
  • 1. Papers can only be done by people with an upgrade. They cost an extra testing fee, but a basic upgrade can be purchased with in game money when you have enough. The colors and letters are C/Yellow - Mostly Foundation horses with basic Herd Helpers. B/Red - The next step up. Second Gen horses or Ex Pro Herd Helpers. A/Blue - Second Gen from Ex Pro parents or Third Gen horses will usually end up here. *Star/Gold - The best level that horses can be (at least so far) This is the goal for many people.
    2. The Primary way of making money in the game is show horses. Horses that have been altered (Spayed or Gelded) have advantages to showing, so keeping all of your altered ponies is a good plan until you get to a comfortable point. Selling babies is good, but having a good show barn is the key to playing comfortably.
    3. Continuing with that, yes, the horses in your show barn should mostly be altered horses, so horses i the pasture wont matter really. Let them worry about making pretty babies.
    4. Its up to you, some people only BA stud colts and keep all mares intact, its called Bootstrapping, and someone else can probably explain that better than i can. I, as a hard rule, do breeding advice on all of my babies before I look at them, that way i cant be too sad about it. I also only keep babies that are better paper level than their parents, but until you get to that point, using babies who pass breed testing is the best way to make sure your next gen of babies is even better.
    5. So PT stands for Performance testing, and there isnt a Max Min as far as i know. there are some horses that end up being very low PT, 0.0 is the lowest ive seen, but i feel like i may have heard of a negative one or two? The lower the points, the more likely that your horse will be destructive and cost you money. some people like that. Higher scores do seem to gain more points in their showing career, I like to pick up high PT babies in the auction to beef up my show herd after thinning out the worst of them.
    6. I dont know if im the right person for this one, I know babies are essentially a 50/50 chance, but after that i think its a combination of things, but im not sure what they are.
    7 and 8. Ex Perf Herd helpers are the best Yellow/C horses you can generate guaranteed. Ex Pro Horses are Red/B and will produce better foals all the time.
    9. Everyone's objectives are different! Some people breed for the best PT, some for the Breeder Awards, some for colors they think are pretty! There's no wrong way to play.
    10. There are awards for Foundation horses and Lined horses, so yes, even Foundies can be competitive. Just find what you like and start! And if you change your mind, or want to change it up, you can whenever you like! The community is also very helpful, posting about what you are looking for can sometimes help you find you horses that you wouldn't find just looking around on your own.
    11. The prizes for the Leaderboards are just ribbons on your horses pages. They're not monetary, just for fun.
    ID# 30479

  • Also dont forget, if you havent done so already, to join in on the New Player Discussion thread for the month you joined to get some free stuff! (Im pretty sure thats still a thing). And theres also a FAQ that has a lot of good info, and a forum post about information for beginners Pinned under Announcements.
    ID# 30479

  • I also highly recommend the Player Support Buddy Chat!
  • Eight year player chiming in. :D

    You've been given some great answers already, but I'll step in to add my 2 cents worth.

    1. Papers are an indication of a horse's breeding ability. Breeding horses with same level papers (as VioletStables explained) makes it more likely to get intact foals, but since neutered horses get a showing boost, collecting and showing them is a good thing for your stable.

    2. The recommended balance is at least 3 neutered horses for every intact horse in your stable. Raising the number of neuters per intacts is not at all a bad thing.

    5. Performance Tests give you an idea of how long horses will add points to their show score before leveling off. Leveling off usually happens when an intact horse reaches an age that matches their PT score. Neuters keep increasing their show scores for another year. So, an intact horse with a PT score somewhere in the 9.? range will level off when it turns 9. A neutered horse in the same range will level off when it turns 10.

    Every horse (almost) starts out with a possible show score between 1 and 10. Each time it trains, its show score will increase by a given amount. Horses are placed in their show classes based on their show scores. Except for the one that comes in last, each horse in a class receives a certain number of additional show points based on where they placed. These are the points that are permanently part of the horse's statistics and add to its owner's showing bonus. You need to train your horses once each real life week and can show them twice each week. If you go to the left menu bar and select showing, then My Show Entries, you will find a chart that shows the full range of shows divided into Levels and Grades. Levels indicate the complexity of the course horses will encounter in a class. Grades indicate the area from which horses come --Local (a county show), Regional (a state, for instance, in the US), National (draws horses from a whole country), World (draws horses from many countries).

    6. Horses are entered in classes based on their current show score. Each level/grade covers horses within a 10 point range of show scores--11-20, for instance. This holds true until horses reach Level 6, when the point range of scores per level increases by more than 10 points, but I don't know any exact figures. Placing in a class is based on the horse's show score, not the number of show points it has gathered.

    7/8. Perfect Foundation horses will have a Breeding Ability of 100%, papering C/Yellow, the top of that range. They will also have a PT score of 9.9. They will be 100% consistent in their show scores both times they show in a week. Exceptional Producers will have B/Red papers, but their PT scores can be anywhere. Exceptionally Perfect foundations will paper B/Red (top of the range, though the exact breeding score percentage is hidden) AND will have 10.4 PT scores*, and will have the same show score each time they show in a real-life week. Exceptional Show horses will have PT scores between 10 and 10.5. Their breeding ability is a toss up. Ordinary creates have highly variable paper and PT scores.

    *Thanks to CeffylDwr for pointing out an error I'd made.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
  • @SandyCreekFarms just a minor correction Ex Perf are 10.4 PT not 10.5, unless you throw a GMT at them to make them Perfectly Consistent. (or it's a clone then I've seen 10.6) :)
    Dabbler in EVERYTHING.
  • Thanks for that correction, CeffylDwr. I was working in something of a hurry to finish before driving my husband to a doctor's appointment. He could have driven himself, but I had my daughter's income tax forms to get into the mail, so it seemed best to make one trip rather than two.

    I'll go correct my essay. :D
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
  • Hi I am a new player and I have a question. I bought the basic upgrade. And I want to make a custom brand. So my question is how do I make a custom brand?
  • Hi CowgirlJazmin! Brands are made from pngs (ideally with a blank background, unless you want it square) that are 25x25 pixels! You can make them in any platform that supports that kind of digital art.
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