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In this Discussion
- AHayesHorses June 2020
- Bandit1119 June 2020
- BestFriend June 2020
- Cheers June 2020
- darkpixe June 2020
- EasternShowBarn June 2020
- ElementalStables June 2020
- FallenShadows714 June 2020
- GeneverGinger June 2020
- HTRanch June 2020
- MamaMiaStables June 2020
- pestilenttempest June 2020
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How do you go about breeding your lines?
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I haven’t really been breeding strictly or keeping up with my breeding as much as I’d like but I wanted to change this. What do you guys breed for quality wise? Like are you strict with breeding papers, PT scores? Which do you find improve your lines the best show wise or breeding wise? How do you cull and who do you keep? Besides breeding for this, do you try and keep a specific color? Like I breed for DP bays with W3, KP and roan/rabicano. Do you keep the specific colors for the studs and keep any mares that paper/PT score how you want them? I’m sorry for all the questions I’m just curious! Thank you.EasternShowBarn
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I'm trying very hard to keep more strict rules on my breeding so I don't get overwhelmed. For one, I like to keep my herds a certain size. Most of my herds are 10 mares to 1 stallion. So my primary goal is to keep my breeding herd to that number.
Next is breeding advice. What gets snipped get thrown into the show barn.
Then gene testing. What genes don't suit me for that herd are removed from the herd.
Then is papering and PT testing. Second gen should always be red with at least 10 pt and consistent. Anything not passing any of those criteria get removed from the herd.
If I still have too many, I either comparison test or look at height and weight. Larger and heavier horses get kept over their smaller peers with priority placed on height.
Horses I've removed get tested and either sold or snipped. On the rare occasion a new herd get formed for the horses that are too pretty to pass up but only if I have room for them.Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
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I’m super strict with my lines. I start with b stallions and require a colts and blue mares for 2g.
3g superior to above colts/fillies
4g star/gold. I fill a few super high blues that are almost gold since I don’t have enough gold mares.
I sba everything and all foals must test superior. They also must have some form of dp and typically at least one fantasy gene, but that’s still optional in later gens.
Honestly, not only does this keep me from hoarding, it also keeps the lines that I do have really good. It’s going to be super hard to get higher gems but I’d rather that than the alternative. I also have benchmarks for all gens, so I typically test against benchmarks to make sure one line isn’t lower leveled than my others.
I also have TONS of bootstraps so I can sate my hoarding obsession there. ^_^ -
I started with colour. I breed Grullos with white patterns (this server has moved over to Ice and HJ1 has a bunch of fantasy and KP lines) I snipped any non grullo horses.
Then as different testing has come out I incorporated more. I also test and snip from the barn page to reduce the thats too pretty to snip feelings and use the search page to sort out who needs to go.
First I run everything through SBA. Free testing is always a plus in my books.
Then I PT test and snip inconsistent horses
Then colour test. I run though and snip any non grullo but come back to cull harder later on.
Then breeding inspection and snip any C/ yellow horses.
In the search I look through the foals genetics and compare them to their sire and dam to make sure they have inherited whichever gene that line is from (my prefixes include genetic lines)
Studs must be EE aa DD so I run several searches to rule out any that are not. I’ve started to add my mares in to reduce my colour crop outs.
Everything gets comparison tested and only superior stay intact. I thin out my colts to under 3 if possible using various gene comparisons.Breeding even generation Grullos with IceThanked by 1Looper -
I have pretty different rules for each account, although I do cull pretty much everything that's under 10 PT (also some accounts, all inconsistent gets spelded, some it's allowed if it's got the right paper level).
This account, I have an even-bred line where the mares just have to pass BA & (for second gen) have at least het for all of the genes I'm after (or be hom for snowflake, at which point if they're missing a copy of anything else, I'm ok with it), or (for third gen) be hom for at least one of the "important" ones and het for the rest. The boys for the even-bred line get spelded for inconsistency, then I pick the couple for each gen that have the most genes I want, and if it's close I might paper them. I also have a bootstrap group, where the boys get BA'd and everyone gets papered. The boys who pass BA get narrowed down by an inconsistent "do I like you?" system, then the ones who pass that get comp tested to whoever my current best boy is, and if they aren't AGA or SUP, they probably get gelded or sold. I'm just now getting a full pasture's worth of Gold mares, so I haven't really had to do much decision-making on my girls yet... but I'll probably start with "do I like your genes?" and then look at foal PTs.
One of my accounts, everyone just has to pass BA and be E? AtAt CprlCprl (as of recently - still getting some het mares out!) and have at least two darkening genes, then they get narrowed down from there by which other genes they have (bonus points for roan, satin, silver, and champagne; negative points for higher white factor, any danger-genes, or tobiano). The boys get comp tested, if their genes are equally close to what I want, but the priority has been genes.
TLDR: it's all about where your priorities are! Some folks have really strict rules for everything, some have a really narrow focus. I've seen where some folks have lines seeing how LOW they can get their foals' PT scores! It's all about what YOU want to breed for.ID 49863 | Breeding wild bay drafts with TE & SNF | Muddling my way through bootstrapping -
I've been breeding for pretty gene strings from very early on, and have only slowly been increasing my quality once I set a cap on how big I can grow. I still have way too many breeding stock, but I also have enough I can mix and match all month long and never run out of mares. This place is my crack.45120
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I'm fairly lax and am just now getting strict on my breeding. 2nd gen boys must be A papered, I will make an exception and use a B papered boy that's STS until I get my 2gA. Even out of C papered studs this is fairly easy for me because I usually breed C/red B/yellow foundations. I get less that pass SBA, but the ones that do are better quality. So long as my mares are red by 2g and catch the genes I'm looking for for that line they stay.
3rd gen has to be A/blue, with a few exceptions made for fillies that are homozygous for genes I'm looking for if they are Superior.
4th gen+ have to test superior and catch the genes I want.
My bootstraps now all go thru BA, colts thru SBA and must catch the genes I want and have an acceptable pt. -
I think I have one of the stricter breeding programs in game.
I start with all ExPerf or ExPro foundations. All breeding stock must be consistent.
Gen 2 is A and sup to a high B for stallions, so not all A boys qualify, mares must be Blue.
Gen 3 I now have a Star stallion, so all my boys are AGA Star, and the girls are high Blue.
Gen 4 my boys must be sup to my gen 3 Star (still working on getting this in all lines) and girls must be Gold and sup to high Blue gen 3 benchmark mare.
Once I get my gen 4 lines settled, gen 5s will then have to be sup again but I don’t yet have fully settled gen 4s since my gen 3 Star is not a baby anymore but also not elderly! It’s a slow process!
The last thing I cull on is color/pattern, I always cull for quality first. I also will not hesitate to use the GMT lab, particularly with my colts but also for some fillies, to make sure that traits I want are maximized when they can be through the GMT lab. If I have to choose between a not quite so awesome stallion with ALLLL the shinies or a super amazing breeding ability stallion that missed some genes, I will take the higher breeding ability one every day of the week.Thanked by 1AHayesHorses -
I breed similar to Cheers, but I'm still working on my mares benchmarks and getting all of my studs to where I want them. I'm getting closer. It took me a while to find exactly what I was breeding for.
I've made it to 4th generation star, so I have some work to do, but my lines are still very young, and I haven't cut the inconsistent stock yet.
I breed my pasture, all babies go to the barn and go through SBA without even looking at them, then performance testing, and those that don't paper to what I want are culled or saved for people that have requested that particular level. Then performance testing is done. Then I cull for genes. Comp testing. And I'm left with what I keep. I will change a stud to a mare and switch genes before I will keep a horse that doesn't meet my requirements.
Hand breeding is where I have made some exceptions just because it is so expensive and hard to get horses to pass SBA and to the level I require. But I keep them in separate lines and don't sell their stock.
I only use exceptionally perfect or RS red/B for my upper lines. My yellow/c lines are mostly 9.9. They are getting converted to perfect Foundation, foundation Rescue, and RS only. (Only one line will stay as is but it is a tribute line and will never change.) The C/yellow are mostly my fun lines. I'm still pretty strict, but I might let a flashy mare slip in.
I do cull for genes. I cut W20 out because it whites out my horses. (I have a couple I allow it in, but they have genes it doesn't interfere with.)
I keep most of my snips for show horses. I'm out of room, sadly. So I've been more things in the auction. And I just cut two lines that I loved, but couldn't make work with my other programs. (I mix my lines a lot.)
I'm still figuring out the bootstrapping thing, but it's fun. :) -
I have loose color goals and strict quality requirements.
Foundation: Red or B
2G: Blue or A
3G: I'm getting to the point where I require my studs to test close to a *Star.
4G: *Star studs and Blue or *Gold mares
5G and above: *Star/Gold
I have benchmarks for each generation so that I know my herd is improving. For a while I was really struggling to get horses to pass BA above 4th generation so I took my higher gen mares out of pasture for a few months to focus on my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen herds. I was able to increase the quality in a pretty short period of time and now that I'm back to breeding my higher gen horses I'm getting way better results!ID 43830
It's nice to be back! :)
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That's where I am too :)
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I have gotten more strict over the real life years. I get very few intact foals each season because of this but the ones that do remain intact are of the best quality they can be.
1. Strict breeding advice EVERYTHING. Even the pretty ones lol
2. Paper levels
- Foundations are Blue/A mostly with my Nexus line being B/Red
- Second and third gen must paper A/Blue
- Fourth gen and above for my A/Blue foundation lines
must paper Gold/Star. For my Nexus line, 4th can
paper A/Blue and 5th and above must paper Gold/Star
3. For all foals 3G and up, they MUST be homozygous for the main gene of that line (so my mushroom horses are required to be homozygous mushroom to stay intact from 3rd generation and up. Same with my chinchilla line and nexus line.) All foals that are het, regardless of other testing, are snipped.
4. ALL offspring MUST test Superior to their sire or dam
5. Must test Consistent. Inconsistent foals are either sniped or GMTd to be Consistent
I used to have a hard time snipping the really unique and pretty foals that i would get but not i am heartless and will snip anything and everything i have to in order to keep the quality of my lines up to snuff :)Bluegrass Server: HayesStable - 221755
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I cull my breeding stock primarily on quality - I don't really cull on colour at all (if a breeder doesn't fit their line's colour scheme they just go to my general line that doesn't have a colour scheme).
I run separate lines for exceptional foundations and normal foundations and don't mix them because I try as much as possible to breed evenly including ability. I cull all inconsistent breeding stock.
For my normal lines, 2g must be B/red and superior, 3g must be A/blue and superior, 4g and 5g must be superior, 6g must be Star/gold and superior, 7g+ must be superior (though I have next to no 6g+ breeders).
My exceptional lines have basically the same requirements just one generation ahead - so 2g must be A/blue and superior, 5g must be Star/gold and superior, etc.
I keep all spelds that have PTs of 10.7+ - this is mostly due to space issues. I don't care about my breeding stock's PT scores.
I have several different lines going with different genes and colour schemes, but will mix them around as I please and if a breeder meets all my quality requirements but not their line's colour/gene scheme, I'm happy to move them to another line. I have general lines for both normal and enhanced for anything that doesn't fall into one of my colour schemes.
I started using strict breeding standards mostly because I'm frankly overrun with breeding stock - I have over 1000 breedable mares on both HJ1 and HJ2 so it frankly takes an absurd amount of time to breed and cull through that many foals. I'm honestly hoping to get the numbers down further by going back to some of my older mares to comparison test them (they were born pre-mare comparison testing existing). -
I started out with the goals of breeding evenly for certain color profiles. As my barn gets bigger and bigger, I get more strict (to try to cull my breeding herd and keep it from getting out of control!)
The first step was mandatory SBA, then 2nd gen mares papering red. Then I look at the gene profile, and make sure they fit my goals. I choose one or two studs from each line and generation to keep, based on genetics, comp testing, and height/weight. Periodically, I go through each generation and pick the 2-3 best and geld the extras.
I start with a mix of red/yellow mares, so now that my stable is getting huge, I'm comp testing the mares as well as the boys, and cutting the ones that don't test superior.
I keep all my spelds for showing. Each month, I review all the show horses older than 9 and auction off the poorest performers to make more room. Keeping everything for a few seasons helps me with mare culling, because I can look at their offspring and see if I'm getting high PT showers vs. breeders. (Though now that I'm doing mare comp testing, that process is getting redundant. It's a good way to review your mares if you can't afford to do a lot of comp testing, though.) -
@geneverginger how do you decide which horses are the poorest performers? Do you look at each individual horses records or is there another way you use?EasternShowBarn
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How do you figure out your benchmark horse for each gen? I am about to start completely over on my lines but my one line I am having a hard time starting again. He was a gift in remembrance of my brother Joey. I just got a 5g superior son to him a high A. So I know my 6g boy has to be a star. How would you all go about this renewing of his line? He has long since passed away from the game.
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With my C/yellow foundation lines, all second gen mares get comp tested to an ExPerf foundation. They must test AGA or superior to stay intact. Past second gen, all must test superior to their dams and have desirable genes and consistent PT scores. I will fix PT inconsistencies only if the mare papers where I want and has every gene I want. I aim for third gen A/blue, but will let superior red papered mares stay with close to all my must have genes.
With my B/red lines, all second gen mares must test superior to their dams. I shoot for blue papers, but I still have some yellow foundations mixed in those pastures so I let some red slide. But after that it must be blue, consistent, with my must have genes.
With my bootstrap line, the fillies must test superior and be consistent to stay. I don’t worry too much about genes, since almost all of them carry what I want anyway. I’m currently working with two boosted studs, so I know none of my colts or fillies will pass BA for awhile. -
@Best friend with benchmark breeding, the nice things is that your standards can be set by your herd's capabilities. Test all your studs against each other and start there. Is your 2G stud superior to a high B (a B that tests AGA an A)? Then try to get a stud that tests superior to the low A stud instead. With your Gen 5 guy, do you know that he tests as good as a *Star? That tells you that your next increase in quality at 5th gen would be a *Star studID 43830
It's nice to be back! :)
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I haven't yet tested him against a star stud. I will find one.