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TrymAndAdylyne · Sep 22, 2019 9:42 PM

I bred my Drafts "Surviving The Sounds" and "Maybe Someday Thoughts" together and the foal was a lethal white. I didn't know this game included lethal whites, and while I do appreciate the realisticness of having them in the game, I'm wondering if I should dare to try breeding them tigether again and if there's some sort of compensation or something for when this happens. By the way, Thank you @Ammit for creating this game.

duelinghawks · Sep 22, 2019 10:06 PM

Can you please copy and paste the links to both horses here and we can determine which genes caused you to lose the foal

CeffylDwr · Sep 22, 2019 10:11 PM

Lethal foals can and do happen, most common culprit is Frame (OLW... hom is always lethal unless its the freaky friday create or is gmtd on to a foundie) but the other kit genes do have potential to throw lethal.

This is a good forum post about kit genes and being lethal
https://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/13757/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_27

Looking at your horses here's what I'm guessing happened. Dad had a 50/50 chance of throwing White 20 (W20) or no kit gene, He probably threw the W20 which tends to maximize the white of other white factors, lot of whiteout (meaning look white but test chesnut, black, bay etc) horses have W20. Mom has a 50/50 chance of throwing Roan (R) or White 1(W). If she had thrown the roan the baby more than likely would not have lethal overload but I'd bet my favorite stud she threw the W. W does not play well with others. Add in both folks are medium for white factor you have higher chance the baby is going to have large to extensive white factor which increases the likelihood of lethal overload.

Alohomora · Sep 24, 2019 3:27 AM

Sorry about the bad luck! Due to his w20, I re-sold that stallion back to the Foundation Rescue (via the auction) after color testing. While w20 is normally a lower risk risky gene, it has cost me a few foals, and I personally prefer the look of w or w2 over w20. He is handsome, but I didn’t want that pesky w20 showing up in some of his foals.

Here is a cross I thought was pretty safe, but the genetic goddesses thought otherwise:

https://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/69952/lethality-question-was-it-her-w20

There is no compensation for lethal foals. It is just a learning experience! It happens to most of us, sooner or later. Sometimes I will make these risky crosses intentionally, just to see how far I can push my odds, because the surviving foals are gorgeous.

You might get a second foal out of the pair that is perfectly healthy, but you do run the risk of getting more lethal foals, too. Crossing the rank special Red, White, & Blue Roans on solid, non-white-factor horses is always the safest approach.

Haltanny · Sep 25, 2019 8:24 PM

I make risky crosses frequently, but i have tons of horses and a few losses dont impact my numbers much. I would never make risky croases in real life, but since this is a game, i don't mind. I like all the white genes and like stacking rhem in various combinations.

SummertreeFarms · Sep 26, 2019 12:54 AM

.....and those risky crosses are a great learning opportunity!

GeneverGinger · Sep 26, 2019 6:32 PM

I agree, Haltanny! I would never breed risky crosses in real life, but since these horses are only pixels, it's fun to do some "dangerous" breeding now and then.

I used a foundation Catch a Blue Moon stud on my GrumpyGen account this season, and lost several foals due to risky white/frame/splash crosses. The foals I did get were gorgeous, though!

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