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Looking at a horse--needing some advice! Help!
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So here's the quick rundown, I am an advanced beginner-intermediate rider. Unfortunately I wasn't born into horses so I had to work my way into it. I have been riding inconsistently for a few years now (I wish it was more consistent, I have had some problems with trainers and whatnot).
I have been looking for a horse of my own seriously for about the last 6 months. There's been a few good ones that unfortunately didn't pass a ppe (very heartbreaking). I found one I really liked last week, rode him, did the whole sha-bang, and decided I was going to get him. He was a 5 year old ottb. I don't have a trailer of my own so I had to organize that, I talked with the woman about 5pm on sunday, set it all up for pickup monday afternoon, it was all great. Then at 9pm I get a text saying she sold him, and no other explanation. To say I was heartbroken is an understatement. I thought I had finally found my horse, all I had to do was pick him up.
So ANYWAYS, getting back to the situation now. There is a woman who sells ottbs, but she sells so many, they're usually sight unseen, just pay her and she ships them yada yada. I know it sounds kinda fishy initially, but she's sold thousands of horses and some have gone on to compete in rrp. I really do trust her and her business. I found a mare today, 3 years old, 16hh, retired but still on the track. SUCH A CUTIE PIE. I really really like her. I don't know I just really like her trot video and her eye. She has clean legs and only raced 5 times. She is described as level-headed and amateur friendly, and a good first-time restart. I want to pull the trigger and say I'll take her
Here is my dilemma. My two horsey friends who have been helping me in this search don't like it. They don't want me to get one straight off the track and they say buying one without being able to ride it first is too big of a risk. I value their advice so much, I really really do. But unfortunately I have to say within this last month or so, instead of helping me, I feel like they are almost trying to pick a horse out for me. The horse I was going to get monday has been the only one that I picked out that we have gone to see recently. The other ones have all been horses they picked out.
I really like this horse. She just seems very very nice. I know I should be more experienced before trying to restart an ottb, but I do work with a few trainers, and I was hoping to have my friends to help me. If I were to pull the trigger and get her, against their advice, I feel like they will not be happy. I can also feel over the texts that they aren't happy I'm still considering her.
I value their advice, I value their friendship, I value them, period. My best friend (non-horsey) said to go for it. My parents said to go for it (I am an adult but I still like my parent's opinion on big things lol). My trainer has been pushing for me to get a schoolmaster to learn on (can't afford one and I like a bit of a challenge).
I just don't know what to do. I really want to get her but I don't want to damage any friendships. -
Hi, I have worked with, trained and ridden meny different horses over the years. Considering all that you have said. My own opinion is not to buy an ex race horse, but I know that some go on to be great happy horses, but never a good idea to take the risk, even if you have seen and ridden it. As you have that type of experience level you need something more than a schoolmaster. I would suggest, on what you have said. Get an ex polo pony. They are darlings to handle, and sensible but supper fast and fun to ride. And I don't think you or your friends would ever regret it. Just make sure to get one that has some crillo in its blood.
Really hope this helps and good luck with your first horsey friend :D -
Another consideration is that some horses straight off the track need time to decompress and switch over to a new career.
I don’t have experience with ottb but one of the barns I worked at in the past worked with a standardbred rescue that took standardbreds off the track and fostered them out. Part of the agreement was that the foster homes worked on retraining them for a riding career. We had several go through with various amounts of time off the track and while I enjoyed working with them and would consider fostering for that rescue if I had my own place I found that retraining a horse comes with a whole new set of issues rather than starting from scratch.
Unless your trainers are doing all the work you may want to evaluate your skills and see if you would be able to handle every scenario that pops up if they weren’t around.Breeding even generation Grullos with Ice -
First off, dont rush.
Second, your heart just kinda knows when you find that horse.
My first horse was an unbroke paint gelding outta a sale. He was the best horse ever. I just know looking at him he was my horse. Not to say it was easy. I spent hours and hours working with him. There where times it was very tough and scary.
I have rode tbs on the track and off. I use to take few on to retrain along with sale horses and mustang. Some tbs just go right into new life as if they never raced. Other are very amded up and need alot of time to rest. I found to use pasture board with no stall unless you really really have to stall, really helps ottb mind. Horses arnt meant to be locked up in 12x12 box only to run a circle get a bath, then be locked up next 23hr. Their minds tend to unscrew after awhile of total boardem. Youll find most ottb have a odd thing they do or wont do. They need to be in a herd like every horse should be kept but they lost years of that. Keep that in mind because when she leaves the track her mind will be on over load. Just like if you kept in a room with no friends for years with nothing but good morning run then I come take you to mall. Its is whole new life. She could just jump right into like nothing or she may need alot time to get into.
Thats just the beginning of your work to.
Just toss in some normal race tb things, they normally get tracked up as they walk a circle, they get mounted as they walk, untracked at a walk. They know left, when you pull back, thats go fast to them. They dont have a good stop or back. Some of them have feet issuse form the pain of being wrapped wrong or abuse to get painful wrap. Alot jockeys have gogo shocker in their whips. So some tbs are touchy on their necks form that. Then also the food side. I seen alot racer get race ready feed at 4 to 5 scoops 2x aday with alfalfa hay. One bag grain has 15 scoops, race ready type cost about 18.00 a bag. She gonna need alot feed till her body switchs form hard work mod to a more normal mod. You start cutting her back as her body adjust to it. She may always need alot feed for life maybe not.
Not to scare you away but just stuff I learnt along the way. Something to think about.
With that in mind, what is your end goal of getting a horse? You looking for a weekend warrior or a every day rider? You like trails or looking to try some showing? Or you just want a arena ride? You want to train a horse or have the horse teach you?
How confident are you around untrained horses? Do you easily get uneasy if horse bucks, bolts, spooks, speeds up ect..? Or you need that rock hard steady horse thats always the same day to day?
At the end of the day. This is your choice. I always said to myself, there is always another horse to buy. This is your partner and your heart will just seem to know when you find that horse. -
I have had experience with both kinds of OTTBs, where one acted like she had never raced and the other acted like he was still racing everyone and everything. They can come with their own sets of difficulties and quirks. I’m not sure I would recommend an OTTB for a first horse for someone, especially if your riding has been inconsistent.
The gelding I worked with was pretty temperamental and we couldn’t use a lot of normal things around him for the first year, like crops/whips. He freaked at the sight of a whip. He was jumpy and spooked at everything and even the smallest movement of your heels against him meant “GO!”. It took almost 2 years before we could really trust him to be used with anyone else, and even then we were all on our tiptoes with him. He was also extremely hard to keep weight on. He needed 3x what any of the other horses needed even in summer. He also didn’t know what grass was when we first got him. He stood in the pasture just looking around wondering what he was supposed to do. It took a solid week of watching the horses in the pastures next to him for him to get the idea.
Now on the flip side, the mare was a dream to work with. She didn’t care about most anything, as long as you gave her a minute to look things over first. She relaxed right into being in a pasture, and within 3 months some of the more advanced riders were able to ride her. She still had her moments, and she spooked at things on trail rides for awhile, but was much easier to retrain. She also didn’t have a problem with keeping weight on, and we could feed her only slightly more than the other horses ate with no problem.
The problem with OTTBs is you don’t know their training/handling from the racetrack. Some of them aren’t treated bad, while some are. It’s a lot of guesswork and trial and error. Something to ask yourself is, say you do buy this mare. What happens if you get her, and you start to think maybe she’s too much horse, or you find things aren’t progressing the way you want. How easy will it be for you to rehome her? Not a lot of riding programs want the OTTBs that haven’t had a ton of retraining, because there is no telling how long it will take for them to be useable in lessons, if they ever can be.
I personally would never buy a horse I haven’t met and ridden at least once, preferably two or three times. Just because a horse looks good in a video, it’s completely different when you are on them. I’ve been there, I saw a video where the horse moved beautifully. I went to ride the horse, and while he still moved beautifully it just wasn’t a good fit. His stride was a bit long for me, and he was a bit quick with his trot.
Just take some time, do some more thinking things over. Are your trainers going to be readily available for you, or is it going to be something where you only work with them for an hour or two on the weekends and then you are on your own for the week? Do you have the time it will take to retrain and work with this horse? Do you think you have the skills to be able to retrain this horse when your friends and trainers aren’t available? Consider what you want to end up doing with this horse, and go from there. There are always more horses, but putting yourself or the horse in a situation either of you might not be ready for or capable of handling can have disastrous consequences.
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I must agree with everything everyone has already said. I am so sorry about that first horse :(
There are always more horses than buyers and you do need to see (and ride) that horse to know it's right for you. By buying unseen you risk so much and you are missing out on one of the greatest bits of horse buying. The horse also needs to like you - remember it's a partnership.
Good luck :)Breeding brown/liver/black with white spotting drafts. If you ever fancy straws PM me. PM me if you need help with GE. -
That is really unfortunate about the first horse- bad move and low blow on the seller’s end.
After reading through everyone else’s advice, I’d have to say I agree with them too. They’re giving you a lot of really good material to think on.
Definitely try a horse before you buy it. The lady I work for sells horses for people, and she always, always, lets the buyer try the horse first, and it may take them a few different horses for them to figure out which one they want but they almost always find one they get along with because of it.
My question is, are you dead set on getting an OTTB? Or is there another breed you might also be interested in? Do you feel like you absolutely must restart a horse? Your heart is in the right place- wanting to give a horse a second career and a second chance in life, but do you feel confident enough to take on a project horse?
Personally, I don’t have any bias for or against thoroughbreds because I haven’t worked with very many of them before, however I do know that warmbloods in general can be a little frazzled- are you comfortable dealing with a horse that could spook a lot over little things?
And if you do think you’ve got it handled, then that’s fantastic! As someone who also didn’t grow up with horses, and who has had to fight and crawl my way up to get to the place I am now, I know that sometimes people don’t take us seriously. Not having enough confidence can be a real killer, especially since we didn’t start as early as everyone else and didn’t grow up with it- and believe me, the horse can tell, which is why there needs to be a healthy level of caution when buying your first horse.
I wish you all the luck in the world, and please keep us posted! -
First I’m so happy for you that you’re able to buy your first horse. I was in similar shoes as you last year, so I hope my advice can help you with your decision.
First I’d tell you friends that you feel like their trying to pick out your horse for you. I’m sure they probably don’t realize that you feel that way. It sounds like they’re really trying to help you and care about you.
Second I highly recommend purchasing the book Know Better To Do Better by Denny Emerson. It is a book written by an older man that has competed in eventing for many years. The reason I’m suggesting the book is because it has a very good chapter on how to go about purchasing a horse for yourself. It also goes over how he retrains his ottb. I don’t do three day eventing and probably never will, but it was a very helpful book.
Third see if your trainer knows of any horses for sale that would fit you. Or fi they’d be willing to go with you to look at a horse.
I’m going to ask you a list of questions, answer them to yourself truthfully. I don’t need to know the answer this is just for you.
1. What do you plan on doing with your horse? (Type of riding)
2. How many days a week are you going to ride?
3. How much ground work have you done with different horses? (A key piece of skills for training)
3. What is the least trained horse you’ve ever ridden consistently? (Did you have fun riding them?)
4. What is the favorite horse you’ve ever ridden, and what was his personality?
I know you like the three year old mare but, have you ever ridden a 3yr old horse? If you haven’t I highly recommend finding one someone will let you ride/work with. There is a big difference between an older horse and a young one.
I actually didn’t get to ‘pick’ my first horse. I had worked with a breeder all summer and that fall she told me she would give me a horse as payment. I could pick one of the weanlings, a two year old, or a green broke older mare. The weanlings were purebred Welsh ponies and the other two were morgen/welsh cross. I’m a taller person so It wasn’t a choice to me I picked the older green mare that I could actually ride. Well the next spring the owner changed het mind and said I could pick from the now yearling or the two year old. I didn’t feel cheated or anything, I just had to do some reordering of my heart and head. I picked the two year old, and the learning experience began. I had never trained a horse before my new filly and had never worked with younger horses before the summer before. That was a learning experience, we somehow made it out of that summer in one piece, and she was actually a decently green broke horse. (But the breeder was right, the older green mare would have been a nightmare for me to have. the mare literally has so much trama from a bad experience, she almost killed herself when someone picked up a saddle blanket.) Now my girl is 3 and has reached the teenager faze where she doesn’t want to do what she’s told. Its gotten very hard to work with her, sometimes I just want to have a nice easy ride down the road, and all she wants to do is run. All I want right now is a break from my too excited filly, and to ride a 13yr old steady eddy who I can have fun on, and not think about every move I make being training for hef and whether its good or bad. That’s the hard part about training a young horse everything you do means something and you don’t want them to learn bad habits.
My advice do what I didn’t do, and get a older well trained horse that you can have fun with. They will still teach you so much and when you get to the point you need a horse that’s more difficult, selling your older horse will be easy. -
I've had my otqh for 17 years now. She's 22, and while I can get her to do literally anything under the sun, she will not abide by anyone else's commands. In the beginning, it was all struggle, but we bonded for it. It was hard to get over the bad things she had learned at the track, and to this day she has quirks that you just have to work around. She's still extremely high energy. She hates to be stalled, pitches a fit over a snaffle bit, can't stand still whatsoever, especially saddled, and when she gets into a loud crowd, especially around other horses, it's race day all over again. She was a complete terror when she was on the track, my dad raised her from a baby, so I know her entire history. It took two big dudes just to get her to the saddling paddock, and she would fight them the entire way. She took a year off after she retired just to be a horse again. My brother in law started working her, and gave up, she was too much to handle, so my dad gave her to me to see if I could retrain her. We spent an entire month in the pasture just learning brakes. Tons of trial and error. She finally realized I wasn't going to give up on her, and now she's truly a one person horse and a solid mount for me.
Just make sure you know what you want and what you're getting into with any horse you choose. The decision is ultimately yours.