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Timelessstars · Feb 28, 2019 3:43 PM

So I’m a pretty thrifty person, and I kept noticing that by the end of the month my hbs were always very low. I’ve only been playing for a year so I know my show bonus isn’t amazing yet. So I wanted to do a little pre planning for next season and see how much it would cost to breed all my mares and put the offspring through all the testing (except sire comparisons). I also will have to buy a new barn next month to put them in so I figured I’d put that in the breeding cost as well.

Knowing the total cost wasn’t enough for me I needed to know what my daily bonus needed to be at to breed all of my mares. So I divided the total cost by 28 days. Then I know what I need as a daily bonus per breeding mare per day.

All my calculations are not including extra costs such as-using another player’s stallions, mares, buying eggs or straws, or pulling straws from your own stallion.

The prices that go into every equation
$1,600 for all testing
$4,170 per stall
Total $5,770 (not including the cost to breed)

Pasture Breeding Cost
$500 per mare + $5,770
Total $6,260 breeding cost for one mare.
$224 Needed daily bonus per breeding mare. For 28 days

InHouse Breeding
$1,000 per mare + $5,770
Total $6,770
$242 Needed daily bonus, per mare.

InHouse Breeding Using Straws
$3,000 per mare + $5,770
Total $8,770
$313 Needed daily bonus, per mare.

Embryo Breeding cost
$8,000 Create Embryo
$4,000 Implant Embryo
Total $12,000 per mare + $5,770
Final cost $17,770
$742 Needed daily bonus, per mare.
(This is the price it costs me,using a Basic Upgrade; Premium might be different)

Using Eggs
? (I cannot use eggs so don’t know the cost, maybe a premium player help with my gaps)

I now know exactly how many mares I can afford to breed. I also know how much I need to grow my showing bonus to be able to breed all the mares I would like to.

I hope that’s as helpful to you as it is too me. Feel free to fill in anything I’ve forgotten. :)

PrismEquine · Feb 28, 2019 4:34 PM

This is super helpful! I’ve decided to take a few seasons off from breeding to focus on saving hbs and growing my show herd to increase my daily bonus. This coming season I’ll only be breeding my Chinchilla/Splash M herd to hopefully sell some quality foals for a profit.

I seriously need more barn space, but I just don’t want to spend real money on it lol

HunterUnderSaddleGirl · Feb 28, 2019 6:20 PM

This is very interesting! I estimated some amount in my head, but never really sat down and do it.

Where I am at right now I pay about 7,000$ per stall. Then of course the 500$ per foal for pasture breeding. So that's why I try to cull most 3 foals for every 1 I keep. But then the numbers get messed up because I BI all of the breeders and PT all of the showers. Also 3rd gen, 4th gen, 6th gen and above all require stallions comparison tests. I normally let that be covered by show bonus, and anything leftover (Haha that doens't really actually happen) is used on GMT tweaks. Although i think that this has really inspired me to take a closer look at it!

Another interesting thing to note is the difference in testing for different gens. For my foundation pastures, with an expro stud, and random mares, I will SBA everybody. Normally 80% altered rate (or even higher) Alters go directly to auction (no testing expenses). BI everyone else. B and below stallions, and yellow mares go to auction. So I normally only spend about 10k for testing, and get 7 horses, and auction 43, and get a good chunk of change. So that's +50,000$ ish for a foundation pasture

My BS pasture, on the other hand is SO expensive to test. Colts through SBA. PT all of them. So 1,000$ apiece for breeding/testing, plus 7,000$ apiece for all of their stalls. Then I keep the vast majority of them. Mares get BI. Red and yellow also get PT. So between 1500, 2000$ apiece for all of them then 7,000$ for each stall. So 9,000$ apiece for each filly. Let's say an average of 8,000$ per 100 foals say -800,000$ total. Which sounds extreme, but I pay almost double for stalls now.

HTRanch · Feb 28, 2019 6:36 PM

so taking the math a bit further, my median show pony has a 51 hbs daily payout. (I leave most of my mares in the pasture 24/7 so they don't have many points or payout to speak of. That may be different for others). By your math, I would need a 4:1 show pony ratio or thereabouts to pasture breed all my mares every year. I think my spelded:intact ratio of this year's foals is actually somewhere around 5:1, so I think I'm doing pretty good.

Dinascar · Feb 28, 2019 6:37 PM

Very interesting.
What I have just done is divide my daily bonus by $224 - I nearly always pasture breed and said I can have 1222 mares to breed! I have about 1500, so as usual I am over-spending! :D
I do sell off a lot of the foals that don't pass SBA though unless I like them or they have PTs I like.

HTRanch · Feb 28, 2019 6:44 PM

I just did the same thing as Dinascar. This account can afford to breed 255 mares, and I have 224. My other account only has one 60-acre pasture, so 60 mares. It has been a struggle the last few seasons to afford breeding but it looks like I finally got to the point I will be able to afford everything right when I breed this year... as long as I stay away from the public sales list.

Riata · Feb 28, 2019 7:35 PM

Thank you for crunching these numbers! Here are the premium egg costs:

—Collecting a single egg costs 3,000. I can collect another egg, or use the mare for live breeding, a few (five?) days later. The mare appears at the bottom of my available mares list, with a countdown of how many days left to wait.

—Mass egg flushing is 125,000, but gives a random range of 8-14 eggs. Due to the range, it is difficult to calculate the average egg cost from mass flushing, but minimum cost/egg is 8,929 and max cost/egg is 15,625. If I mass flush eggs, the mare is done breeding for the month, just like when making an AI embryo.

—It is 2,000 to create an embryo from an egg + straw, then the implantation cost of 4,000.

Creating an AI embryo (a fertilized egg from mare + straw) costs me 8,000, too. AFAIK there are not any cost savings in the ABL for premiums vs basics, just access to additional features.

If I plan to mass flush a mare, I keep her on my calendar to manually harvest eggs throughout the month, then mass flush at the end, in order to get as many eggs as possible. Sometimes, manual collection gives me enough eggs, and I just skip the mass flush altogether, which saves a LOT of expense. Other times, I realize on the 27th of the month that she is 17+ and I don’t have good replacement stock from her. Then, planning goes out the window and I am grateful for whatever eggs I get ; )

BestFriend · Feb 28, 2019 7:44 PM

How are you figuring the mare per stall cost? Can someone give me a formula to use?

HunterUnderSaddleGirl · Feb 28, 2019 9:03 PM

How I do it is the X of IVs for a 1000 stall barn x 12500 for each IV/1000 stalls you get.

For example a 1000 stall barn costs me 600IVs

(600x12500)/1000 = 7500$ per stall

Dinascar · Feb 28, 2019 10:45 PM

Of course it does cost me loads to buy a barn these days so maybe a bit more for me :)

CWScowgirl87 · Feb 28, 2019 10:56 PM

Thanks for the formula - I've been wanting to figure out where I'm at and it is just as bad as I expected. I have enough show bonus to breed 622 mares and I own 2520. :O Suppose I should get snipping!

BestFriend · Feb 28, 2019 11:53 PM

Is the 1000 stall for the breeders or show ponies?

Timelessstars · Mar 1, 2019 12:38 AM

best friend you can purchase whatever barn size you want or need. The 1000 stall barn was just the example used.

Lallyhop · Mar 1, 2019 11:25 PM

Most of my stuff is in house instead of pasture with a few exceptions, so $2600 for the foal and testing, and then I'm at just about 50% extra for stalls, 49% to be exact, so stalls in a 1000 stall barn cost me 496 IVs (total), or 6,200 hbs per stall. A 120 stall, my normal breeding line size, costs 59 IVs right now, or 6,145 hbs - huh, I guess 120 is very slightly cheaper per stall? I'd like to see someone break that down, might just be where my numbers are sitting right now, cause 60 IVs would put it at 6,250 per stall - but either way, that's 6200 plus 2600 equals 8800 per foal, or 314 hbs per mare divided across the month. With a bonus of 83k right now, I can afford 264 mares yearly, it looks like. Slightly more since running BI on foals that get altered first is free.

Aaand I have 1471 intact horses of the female type. This explains why I never get around to breeding more than about a fifth of my lines each year. :-? Now who to cull...

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