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CWScowgirl87 · Mar 21, 2018 7:51 AM

I just went through and put my DP tattoo on all my horses that I think have DP. Does anyone want to double check me to make sure I didn't miss any? Also to make sure I didn't count any as DP that don't have it. The first link is the ones that do not have the DP tattoo. The second link is the ones that do. Let me know if I made any mistakes.
I'm going to be doing this myself as I get to it, but the purpose of this is just to give somebody something to do :)

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=16853&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=Cowgirl+dp&tat_lm=not+like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&ice14=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&raint=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

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Haltanny · Mar 21, 2018 8:56 AM

I checked out the first 11 pages of the first link and found one that -might- be DP. You might take another look at her.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1055409

duelinghawks · Mar 21, 2018 9:34 AM

Can someone please explain how to determine which have DP? I'm a newer player and I can't figure it out. Is it het sty plus something with A? I'm stumped :-/

CWScowgirl87 · Mar 21, 2018 9:53 AM

Thanks @Haltanny!
@DuelingHawks, DP is just another darkening gene in addition to sooty. Red based horses (chestnut & palomino) will show it in the name. A horse that has homozygous sooty and het or hom DP will be a liver chestnut instead of a chestnut, or a chocolate palomino instead of a palomino. Check out Confluence's liver chart: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/51257/the-ninja-liver-chart#Item_8

In bay or black based horses, it's harder to tell. It just makes them a shade darker than they normally would be without it.

Snapdragon · Mar 21, 2018 9:53 AM

Liver Chestnuts and Chocolate Palominos you know are at least het DP. They need three genes to show it - hzSooty plus hetDP, or hetSooty plus hzDP. If you have a Liver or Chocolate that is het for Sooty, you know they're homozygous at DP.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/51257/the-ninja-liver-chart#Item_8

duelinghawks · Mar 21, 2018 9:59 AM

Thank you!

Ammit · Mar 21, 2018 10:03 AM

It just makes them a shade darker than they normally would be without it.

Oh it is way more complicated to spot than that on E- horses.

Dinascar · Mar 21, 2018 10:06 AM

Lol at Ammit :D Yes wild bay doesn't go darker!

Dinascar · Mar 21, 2018 10:07 AM

Yep it's tricky - we have lots of chats on here about what has DP and what doesn't! In fact I reckon the vast majority of genetic discussion is DP related!

Ammit · Mar 21, 2018 10:15 AM

Darker is the wrong term completly. You can't look at how dark to tell DP on an E- horse :)

CWScowgirl87 · Mar 21, 2018 10:17 AM

Yes, I forgot about that. Lol, sorry. And I breed for DP wild bays! :-??

Dinascar · Mar 21, 2018 10:21 AM

How can you tell he has DP?

1C RS Time Pocket
I am not saying he hasn't but just wondering. :)

Dinascar · Mar 21, 2018 10:24 AM

Also this one?

1B RS Scorpion King 42

Dinascar · Mar 21, 2018 10:25 AM

By the way you have some lovely horses! :)

CWScowgirl87 · Mar 21, 2018 10:32 AM

Thanks @Dinascar! I really wasn't sure about about that first one. What made me think she has it is her foal:

2B Fire in my Pocket 618

I'm not even really sure that that one has it. That's why I wanted a possibly more experienced eye to look over my choices. I am just getting into DP silver blacks & blue roans, and I am not very good at detecting the DP yet. As for Scorpion King, I had this discussion (linked below) and we came to the conclusion that he probably has it. Again, though, it's a really difficult color to detect DP on.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/47616/wild-bay-buckskin-with-dp-another-question#Item_12

Ammit · Mar 21, 2018 10:32 AM

Silver/Cream etc have randomized levels of intensity.

KSB Silver Bak Babe

Silver Buckskin Roan, no sooty and no DP and darker than the above horse. Brown is probably contributing but so is silver and buckskin variations. No possible way to spot DP on that color by eye.

CWScowgirl87 · Mar 21, 2018 10:34 AM

I'm planning to do a lot more test breeding with Scorpion King to determine if he actually has the DP or not.

Dinascar · Mar 21, 2018 10:37 AM

Yep - I think we have come to the conclusion it's quite hard :) Good luck!

RipshinCreekFarm · Mar 22, 2018 7:33 AM

I only made it through page 16 but here are some, I think. Maybe some one could double check, because I am actually really bad at spotting it : )
A bit dark for one copy of sooty, she matches up on the ninja chart:

1B Bellatrix
Kind of hard to tell with the varnish, but she looks darker than other AtAt SstySsty browns. Compare to her mom.

2B Asenath Belle IITK

CWScowgirl87 · Mar 22, 2018 8:40 AM

@RipshinCreekFarm thank you! I'm actually super excited about that first one, ExPros with DP are always exciting! I am sure she has it, since I checked and she had a hom DP foal by a het DP stallion. I'm not 100% on the second one yet, but I'm going to look at more examples of browns. Brown is tricky.

StoneRunStables · Mar 22, 2018 2:45 PM

I only looked through the chestnuts because my eyes aren't really trained for DP with any other color yet, but I'm pretty sure this girl is.

2B 1662262

Haltanny · Mar 22, 2018 5:23 PM

@CWScowgirl87 I have several browns (and bays) with DP. You can check my stable for examples. ID 28036 & tattoo pyramid.

CWScowgirl87 · Apr 3, 2018 9:09 AM

For anyone who is interested, supersarah helped me out with some test breeding on Scorpion King. The first foal she got was a liver colt out of a hom sooty chestnut mare. So he is now confirmed het DP. :)

1B RS Scorpion King 42

Sunlit · Apr 4, 2018 6:28 AM

SuperSarah is pretty great! 10/10 I would nominate for an award for being super!

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